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jerodast Since: Dec, 2010

Feb 19th 2019 at 11:58:45 PM •••

This trope is mis-named or mis-described! The Trope Namer should never be an aversion of the trope - "There is no try" in ESB definitely does NOT describe the trainee "getting it" after a pep talk. Rather, it describes a PHILOSOPHY of technique and training in which doubt about success itself causes failure; where action without belief is as bad as no action at all.

The trope should be modified to include cases of success OR failure to commit to philosophy, but where the mentor clearly uses this approach in training. This would allow most examples to remain without being changed but the lame "actually the trope namer is a subversion..." example to be fixed. Thoughts?

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jerodast Since: Dec, 2010

Feb 19th 2019 at 11:59:41 PM •••

(Alternatively this could be renamed and "There Is No Try" could be made as a related but separate trope for incidents where half-hearted effort leads to failure.)

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