Many have said the same, which is particularly ironic when they're side is quite anti-evolution.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.-Philip K. Dick
Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Description needs rewrite
, started by Vasha on Oct 19th 2011 at 9:01:54 AM
A lot of these examples don't even mention evolution. Should we delete them or make the definition of the trope broader? I vote for the latter.
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I don't think actual evolution is a part of the trope, other than being the source of the name.
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"The Social Darwinist is someone who believes that the Darwinian theory of evolution — i.e. "survival of the fittest" to oversimplify it — should be applied to people, and sometimes entire societies or nations." Well, it's right at the beginning.
Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.-Philip K. Dick
I think this should be a subtrope of Appeal to Nature as when you get right down to it the entire philosophy is basically one big example of that fallacy.
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It's not graphic and is relevant to the trope.
The trope description is getting more and more long-winded. Anyone up for doing a complete rewrite and paring it down to the essentials?
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Wow. Yeah, this is far too long.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I came across a post in the "Stop Having Fun" Guys discussion page that I feel would qualify for this trope as well, but I don't know whether it would go under "Video Games" or "Real Life" since it has to do with real people in an issue relating to a video game.
Basically, the post was about a group of professional Call of Duty players who wanted to lock out all Modern Warfare 2 players whose Kill/Death ratio was below a certain threshold, varying from person to person (some went as low as 0.7 while others went all the way up to 3.0), preventing them from playing online at all until they pass a skill test.
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Seems like Real Life example, that one.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
It was cut, because we don't have Headscratchers pages for tropes anymore.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
"and sometimes entire societies or nations"
Is this a core part of facism?
The description is terribly long-winded. I rewrote it some, anyone else want to have a crack at cutting it down?
Edited Dec. 13: This is done now.
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From the description of "type two" Darwinism in the main body of the article: "...and that evolution happens by itself when it's necessary for survival (assuming some beneficial mutations randomly occur; they will, given enough time, and relatively recent discoveries seem to point that environmental changes actually accelerate this), and when it isn't happening, it's because it isn't needed."
This is actually a very Lamarckian idea. Strictly speaking, evolution occurs constantly. In a stable environment, it will be limited to genetic drift, changes in traits that don't influence survivability or in non-coding sequences of DNA. In a changing environment, evolution will only occur if the appropriate mutations take place (unlikely, since mutations occur at a relatively constant rate— unless that "recent evidence" is from the last year or two, in which case I'd like to see it) or if the necessary genes are already part of the population's gene pool; otherwise, extinction occurs instead. I didn't want to go chopping up an article someone else wrote, but I thought this was at least worth mentioning.
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Eugenicist, although taking some of the 'Didn't Do The Research' ire away from the article, would probably be a more accurate title, or you could make reference to Eugenics, such as Nazi Concentration Camp activities in the portion where they're brought up. Also, Eugenics was particularly popular in upper class circles during the era leading up to the Second World War, and was fully disavowed upon the discovery of the Nazi War Crimes involving its practices. An example of the popularity of Eugenics in the Twenties is one of the secondary characters of 'The Great Gatsby' I don't recall the character's name, but in so far as the narrative had a villain, he was it.
Edited by rodneyAnonymous Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
From the description of "type two" Darwinism in the main body of the article: "...and that evolution happens by itself when it's necessary for survival (assuming some beneficial mutations randomly occur; they will, given enough time, and relatively recent discoveries seem to point that environmental changes actually accelerate this), and when it isn't happening, it's because it isn't needed."
This is actually a very Lamarckian idea. Strictly speaking, evolution occurs constantly. In a stable environment, it will be limited to genetic drift, changes in traits that don't influence survivability or in non-coding sequences of DNA. In a changing environment, evolution will only occur if the appropriate mutations take place (unlikely, since mutations occur at a relatively constant rate— unless that "recent evidence" is from the last year or two, in which case I'd like to see it) or if the necessary genes are already part of the population's gene pool; otherwise, extinction occurs instead. I didn't want to go chopping up an article someone else wrote, but I thought this was at least worth mentioning.
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Eugenicist, although taking some of the 'Didn't Do The Research' ire away from the article, would probably be a more accurate title, or you could make reference to Eugenics, such as Nazi Concentration Camp activities in the portion where they're brought up. Also, Eugenics was particularly popular in upper class circles during the era leading up to the Second World War, and was fully disavowed upon the discovery of the Nazi War Crimes involving its practices. An example of the popularity of Eugenics in the Twenties is one of the secondary characters of 'The Great Gatsby' I don't recall the character's name, but in so far as the narrative had a villain, he was it.
Going cautiously where at least a sturdy robot has gone before.
Social Darwinism leads to the belief that peace is achieved through strength, which in turn results in a Curse of Hatred, similar to the Uchiha's ninja way. In fact, I think today's American whites, especially the Republicans, are social Darwinists, as they want the world to revolve around them.
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