Discussion Main / TheScrappy

You could just edit it out...

Personally, I'd say that Mineta qualifies as a Scrappy and belongs on the list. Remember, Scrappydom is very YMMV, and being listed as an example doesn't mean that everyone hates him, just a very large portion of the fan base.

My impression is that scrappiness can vary between individuals, and to be a Scrappy, they have to be stand out hated compared to the rest of the group. Ask the Scrappy Cleanup thread for more.

You can look in the Scrappy Index to find the trope you're looking for.

Basically, scrappies are added upon the perception that they have a large hatedom. You can ask here for specific characters.

So like if there was a blogsite of people hating that character, it would be a Scrappy

Wouldn't a successful Hate Sink be a Scrappy?

No, because a Hate Sink is intended and written to be hated, while The Scrappy is hated for unintentional reasons. A Hate Sink would have a harder time to qualify as The Scrappy (there's debate on this wiki if they would qualify at all) since they need reason for being hated independent of what they were written to be hated for.

So there's no hate-related YMMV for the likes of successful Hate Sinks and Complete Monsters short of Love to Hate if the Complete Monster monsters with good style, and Moral Event Horizon which deals more specifically with the act...

Is that going into cordoned off territory, though?

Need a bit more clarity in what you are talking about.

Alrighty then, I guess if a certain character is truly hated to all hell by every single sensibly-minded person the way the creators intended, then there wouldn't be any reaction YMMV entries on said character besides Complete Monster and Moral Event Horizon?

This trope is possibly the most ubiquitous of the lot, though. And changing it because some people do like Scrappy-Doo will just piss off the untold billions upon trillions upon hyperbolicwordthatendswithillions of people who really do hate the little git and everything about him. Like me. If you couldn't tell.

I agree with the above poster. I have to admit, this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone actually liking Scrappy. Scrappy fans are definitely not the majority.

This trope is catagorised as being subjective, so remember that you are free to disagree.

It's certainly wrong to assume that, just because a character has a huge hatedom, EVERYONE dislikes them, or even necessarily the significant majority of the fanbase. Scrappy Doo, it must be said, has garnered a big enough backlash for even the franchise to turn against him (Scrappy Doo seldom shows up in any contemporary Scooby Doo productions, but when he does, it's to be the object of ridicule - see the live action "Scooby Doo" film for the most extreme example), so he seems an appropriate enough trope namer. Which is not to suggest that the character doesn't have his fans, or people who feel ambivalent about him (this troper personally falls into the latter camp). In my view, Scrappy just happens to be a fashionable character to bash right now, irrespective of whether or not one even considers themselves to be a fan of Scooby Doo - people like to forget that, when he was first introduced, the show's waning ratings suddenly picked up. In the years that followed, HB definitely went overkill with the character, to the point where they even dropped the mystery solving element of Scooby Doo in favour of a cartoon consisting of nothing but chase scenes with Scooby and Scrappy (and actual ghosts, to boot), which I suspect accounts for a lot of the resentment. Perhaps it's unfair that Scrappy has been the object of so much hatred while the Great Gazoo, deemed as being the Flinstone's equivilent character, is all but forgotten (and, unlike Scrappy, Gazoo wasn't even all that popular to begin with - the Flinstones was cancelled soon after his arrival). Mark Evanier, who played a role in developing Scrappy has stated his belief that Scrappy haters are "few in number but loud in voice". But, regardless of whether or not Scrappy haters truly respresent the majority of the fanbase, and whether a lot of these haters actually despise him as much as they claim or are just following the fashion, Scrappy hatred has become a big enough phenomenon for even Scooby Doo itself to feel the need to take pot shots at him.

Even though I'm not a fan of Scrappy Doo, I have seen one or two other characters listed under this trope who I personally am rather fond of, and furthermore am covinced that, just because one troper and a few of their online friends might have had a grudge against them, they do not represent how the majority of the fanbase feels. Which goes back to what I said about this being subjective.

Why must you always give the hand to the MINORITY?

Ya know it would be better to just call it The Hated instead of The Scrappy since he did have his fans

I never hated Scrappy as a kid, but I understand the concept. To all the posts above, I think the first guy was just riffing on the recent surge to make the wiki as politically correct and unbiased as can be. Changing this would be a major pain in the neck, as "The Scrappy" has already become a universally known term to tropers.

Yes, this trope needs a name change...mostly because I can think of someone from the Scooby-Doo universe who is even worse: Scooby-Dumb. Scrappy was a downright stroke of genius compared to him. Unfamiliar with Scooby-Dumb? Let me fill you in. He's a light blue version of the original Scooby-Doo, but with a red Beverly Hill Billies-style hat and he's literally too stupid to live...or even hide. Scooby has to guide him to obvious hiding spots a moron would see. On top of that, he contributed even less than Scrappy ever did (let that sink in for a whole).

Nah, I don't think we should change it. I've actually heard the term used in other, more mainstream places. It'd be like renaming "Jumped the Shark."

No, I don't think this should be name-changed. Scrappy Doo is quite possibly the Most Triumphant Example so I think he makes a pefectly good Trope Namer.

A name change is better we could try The Hate Icon that would be way better and besides Scrappy did have his fans

I agree with forrestchump. I think I've seen 1 person say Scrappy Doo isn't the worst character ever made.

EDIT: Not to say that there aren't more. but they are, as forrestchump said, the minority. The definition of this trope is a character with a hatedom. and Scrappy Doo is definitely one of, if not the Most Triumphant Examples. So, I don't see why this needs a rename, especially if it's used in more mainstream places.

Eh, I like Scrappy. I saw him as a kid when reruns of that show were aired in my country in the 90s, and I liked him. I've watched those episodes again, and I just don't see how he's supposed to be "the worst character ever." At worst, to me, he can be a slightly bratty kid, but hey, he's a kid.

HOWEVER, as said above, the name's been genericized on this wiki that people understand what it is implicitly. Changing it just for a relatively minor annoyance—and I do find the whole assumption that everyone is supposed to hate him and something's wrong with you if you don't find him annoying—just seems too much like trying to enforce a change based on a minor pet peeve, which can also be annoying.

If this trope means "a character everyone hates", it should be renamed "The Jar-Jar" or "The Umbridge"

The Scrappy doesn't always have to specifically refer to Scrappy-Doo. Scrappy can be used as a word that means "akin to scrap", and since "scrap" means "unused or unwanted leftovers", that means that a title like The Scrappy, when completely disconnected from Scooby-Doo, easily means "the character who is akin to scrap" which can easily be taken as "character people hate". It doesn't need a name change.

The reader is very much supposed to hate Umbridge. The viewer isn't supposed to hate Jar-Jar.

I think this trope should be renamed because the one who decided to name it "The Scrappy" had Trope Namer Syndrome. We don't have any trope named The Kirby or The Megaman. (Note that I potholed them) This should be "Terrible as Scrap".

I haven't seen whatever it is the trope namer comes from, but for ages I just assumed that it was about a character who was scrappy, as in dug out of the scrap heap/hated for being worthless like scrap.

^This is actually a good hint to the name.

No, this won't be renamed. It has too many inbounds, and the reason why the image is "off-limits" was explicitly stated to be because it works just like the name does.

Another Scrappy fan chiming in here... complete with disbelief at the hatedom. Heck, I remember when I was roped into watching the film with a friend... and I kept asking him where Scrappy was, and he kept approving of said character's supposed absence, and I kept believing he was joking (because that is the sort of person he is).... and then ... well... a very different Scrappy ended up the big bad, and I was so weirded out by it I just said "This is bullshit" and left the room.

Scrappy Doo was the only decent character in the whole of anything Scooby Doo related. Ok, Velma had a few fun moments, but those were inconsistent.

Terrible As Scrap. There. No more time for this trope to be named after a character

Try with one of these options:

• "Universally Hated Character"
• "Terrible As Scrap"
• "Hatedom Target"
• "The Hate Icon"

I suggest that Universally Hated Character is a perfect name for the trope.

I like "Hatedom Target". I always thought "The Scrappy" was someone who likes to fight a lot, and I believe it may give others that impression as well. So what if there are 'too many inbound targets'? Like they didn't have that issue when they renamed "The Wesley"? I agree that this trope needs renaming.

One more vote for renaming. In my mind "Scrappy" is an adjective referring to a character trait, not the name of a Scooby-Doo character, so that's confusing. I've been reading articles about a heroic band of main characters where one of them is "The Scrappy", and been assuming they were tough and eager to fight. This is a terrible name. (And furthermore, if I were to name a trope after Scrappy-Doo based on the description given in this article, I would choose "Unintentionally Hated Character".) Every article that you have to replace the name "The Scrappy" in is an article improved.

As for what to rename it. "Universally Hated Character" is pretty good. Although one might think that meant that all characters in-universe (as opposed to all fans) hated the character. Someone upthread suggested "Hatedom Magnet", which seems pretty good. "Hatedom Target" is maybe fine too.

I'll note that the Trope Repair Shop is the place for renaming proposals, not the wiki discussion pages.

While I made a bad mistake, I think this trope should be called "Unintended Hate Sink."

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not sure if Villians should qualify or at least should have their own separate trope because while I understand why some of them are considered this "bad even for villain standards" to quote Lemony Snicket:

"I'm at a loss as to how to write a villain who doesn't do villainous things".

Yeah, I've noticed this pattern as well. As I said elsewhere, articles about audience reception need to talk about the reception, not the reasons for such reception.

I've also noticed especially regarding Yukiteru Amano. Sure it's partially true, but it comes more across like Kousaka's "The Reason You Suck" Speech from the manga than the other entries

No, this trope is only for fan reactions.

This trope isn't for opinions you know

If that was the case Iris form Pokemon belongs here too. I've seen a lot of people post about how they don't like her. I know sum do but I've hated her since day one and have held a personal grudge against her character ever since she tried to catch Meowth and would love nothing more then to see Team Rocket steal and keep all her pokemon. she deadpans to much.

That's a good one. To be honest, Scrappy was probably the only Scooby Doo character I didn't want dead.

Yeah same here, he's one of three Scrappy's that I'm a big fan of. The others being The Sentry(Marvel) and Shujinko(Mortal Kombat)

Something these 3 have in common, beside the letter 's', is that they're hated because they're "bad characters" right? Just objectively bad, and do you now why? Because no one's ever tried to write them in a way that doesn't make you want to punch a wall. That's a failure of writing to me, just keeping a character flat so that you can blame all the misfortune of the story on them. But I digress.

We already attempted a cleanup. Fast Eddie disapproved of the decision to remove the examples.

Either a large-scale cleanup should be done, or all examples should be removed entirely. I see examples that really seem like some troper listing characters they personally dislike, but which aren't necessarily disliked by the larger audience. If we're going to have examples, we need a concrete definition, a threshold a character must meet to be a Scrappy.

Try creating a thread.

Hate Sink is a trope which uses a character who intentionally is made for the purpose of Love to Hate in context of the story.

There's a discussion about this at the bottom of the page. In short, it has loads of inbounds, the name is fairly descriptive, it's caught on outside the Wiki, and it's used absolutely everywhere here. It does have a number of alternative names; you can see them in the Related tab.

Either way, it's pulled for being a UI without citation. UI gets so rampantly overused it's not even funny.

There's a clean up thread https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13598973560A64980100&page=2#42 here.

Several of my co-workers watch Family Guy almost exclusively FOR Glen Quagmire.

But then this trope is just a whole mess of YMMV...

I suppose so. I don't hate Quagmire. But he does have a strong and vocal hatedom.

Passive aggressive griping isn't going to help, you know.

When did it say you couldn't name a trope after a show or character?

Naming A Trope. Don't name a trope after a Character, or you've got Trope Namer Syndrome!

I have and it pisses me off. This trope is infested with "This is my opinion but I going to claim lots of people say this" Seriously needs a cleanup

They Changed It, Now It Sucks! ...basically.

It must since you probably didn't enjoy the jokes about him in the first live action Scooby Doo.

Scrappy was the only consistently likeable character in the entire franchise. The everlasting cowardice of everybody else in the cast in the face of YET ANOTHER ordinary human in a monster costume pissed me off even when I was too young to know what being pissed off really was. And then Scrappy was introduced... and he was awesome... and I got even more annoyed at the other fetchers for constantly oppressing him.

That this trope is even named after him is yet another reason why I hate humanity.

That would be a case of They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste, but yes, it still counts.

Might it be an idea to split the scrappy into two types - type 1s, who aren't supposed to be hated, and type 2s, who are. To use an example from A Song Of Ice And Fire (which I like):

type 1 scrappy: Darkstar - a failed attempt to introduce a character with previous Ensemble Dark Horse Oberyn Martell's energy, badassitude and charisma.

type 2 scrappy: Prince Joffrey - murders protagonist, utterly cruel, totally incompetent and stupendously arrogant.

Hmm... Because this trope have no relation with the character itself but yes relation with the reaction of the fans?

What about in-universe Scrappy characters, or those considered to be one by Word of God? If this is suddenly a subjective trope, then there needs to be a split off for non-subjective examples.

The Scrappy is an audience-reaction trope, so there can be no such thing as "Word of God" regarding it.

Well, there can be Word of God in the sense of "I am God and I really hate this character I created that kept showing up for no good reason". But that's not really canonical. That's just his opinion.

^^^ In-universe examples of subjective tropes go on the main page with a note that it's in-universe.

Go to the Lost and Found. It should be on the left side of the screen, you put descriptions in there to see if there's a trope for it.

Complete Monsters are meant to be hated (or at least they were, until trope decay forced Complete Monster into YMMV territory, but that's a debate for another time). The Scrappy is not meant to be hated. So I would like to say no, but since both are subjective tropes, the real answer is yes.

The Scrappy can be meant to be hated, though they usually aren't. And while a Complete Monster is probably going to be hated in the sense of "the audience can't wait for him to get defeated" (Unless they're a Draco in Leather Pants), I'm not sure they're prone to being hated in the "the audience wishes this character were never made to begin with" sense.

It does not really matter why they get hated. Regardless of whether or not the character is hated for legitimate or illegitmate reasons, regardless of whether or not it was intended or not, if they are widely hated, then they belong to this trope.

This trope is not just a character who is hated, it is a character who has a hatedom. A "hatedom" is a fandom (for lack of a better term) dedicated to hating something. Are Complete Monsters really likely to be that? That is the question. (Actually I'm not reallly sure about a few of the entries, but this is just the one I asked about.)