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Jul 18th 2012 at 8:56:03 AM •••

I'm kind of wondering about that quote - it doesn't really seem to fit the trope, and it to be eeking a bit toward the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgment.

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Jul 18th 2012 at 10:19:04 PM •••

I was thinking the same. Remove or find something better.

Mar 29th 2012 at 3:44:26 PM •••

Okay, I don't want to introduce natter or an edit war but this entry really REALLY bothers me: "You Tube user Shockofgod likes to claim that this is indirectly the reason people become atheists: When they realized Santa isn't real, they decided that if Santa isn't real, neither is God. Actual atheists beg to differ."

I'm an atheist, and I don't like Shockofgod, but for me personally, the realization that Santa wasn't real did directly lead to me becoming an atheist. I probably would've come to the same conclusion eventually without it, but the Santa myth spurred me to rethink the concept of a supreme being. I also think belief in Santa is in many important ways comparable to a belief in any other supernatural entity. This isn't true for for every atheist, but is true for some, and potholing to Insane Troll Logic is downright insulting.

I'd like to remove this entry entirely. Objections?

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Jul 18th 2012 at 9:09:44 AM •••

It is Insane Troll Logic. If ghosts aren't real, does that mean Reptillians aren't? Or vice versa? Plus, he mischaracterizes the relationship between Santa and God in a way that's so incoherent I can't even articulate it well enough to edit the entry, as I'd like to do; watch the video and you'll see.

Jan 12th 2011 at 3:17:33 PM •••

Many thanks to everyone who contributed to the development of this trope in this thread or the old YKTTW thread, as well as to Black Cat and Some Sort Of Troper for their contributions in the TRS thread.

Glad to get this trope into shape at last: I have loved this trope since I saw it debated in Monty Python And The Holy Grail as a kid, but when I tried to write it down as a TV Tropes trope page I botched it. Launched it with a name and title that failed to communicate the concept I was feeling. Partially because I was new and inexperienced: I had only been a member here for two months, and it was one of my first 25 tropes. :-)

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