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Jul 6th 2011 at 1:19:17 PM •••

This in Characterization Marches On:

◦Similarly, Penny was a lot dumber initially (for example, proclaiming that she was a vegetarian but also mentioning how much she LOVES steak). She quickly moved from The Ditz to Closer to Earth.

Is there any other things in the older episodes that would prove she was supposed to be dumb? Cause some vegetarians do make exceptions for certain foods, and she says how much she loves steak while talking about how she's a vegetarian except for steak.

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Jul 20th 2011 at 11:10:22 PM •••

Truthfully that isn't the best example but that whole scene where she is describing herself shows her to be friendly but rather dim. The insistence that her screenplay isn't based on her life because she's from Omaha and not Lincoln, Nebraska is probably the best example of that. The line about how much she LOVES steak despite being a vegetarian implies she doesn't understand what being a vegetarian actually means.

Jul 21st 2011 at 6:30:21 AM •••

I'm changing it to the screenplay, cause (again) some vegetarians do make exceptions for certain foods.

Jun 6th 2011 at 12:54:04 AM •••

I took out the examples of Flanderization because the idea behind the trope is taking a small aspect of the character and making it their entire personality, usually with a reference to it Once an Episode. With those examples it was exaggerating how much it has "become their character."

Bernadettes "bio-weapon" jokes are rather minimal compared to her appearances on the show, mentioned about 4-5 times at most in the 15+ episodes she's been in. Similarly, Raj's "that sounds racist" jokes went up from maybe 2 or 3 in season one to about 4-5 in each succeeding season, it's an increase but not Once an Episode. As for Leonard, while he might be a little more short with Sheldon in recent years there is a difference between jokes at his expense (which is probably to keep Sheldon from dominating the show) and straight up exasperation with his quirks. The "I forget you're not a real boy" kind of lines are not frustration jokes.

Edited by KJMackley
May 13th 2011 at 4:46:10 AM •••

The character page severy needs updating, It also should have folders: "Main Cast' and "Supporting Cast".

Characters missing are: Stuart, Barry Kripke, Zach, Howard's mother, Sheldon's mother, Lenard's mother, Raj's Parents, Priya.

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Jul 2nd 2011 at 5:14:14 AM •••

Hello? Why isn't anyone persuing this?

Aug 6th 2011 at 11:50:14 PM •••

Are yous all oblivious. Character page needs updating. Seriously.

P.S. Left out two other missing characters (Dr. Gabelhause and Leslie Winkle).

Apr 20th 2011 at 9:32:12 PM •••

I took out the Continuity Snarl entries because it was inferring a lot of information without explaining details. Sheldon had no idea how to modify Howard's custom-built combat robot (with the tool-box gag just that, a gag) while it is likely he could order the parts needed for his "virtual presense" robot and not have to do a whole lot of personal building. And for Sheldon's abilities in public speaking he seems fine with impromptu speeches and lectures, it was the huge formal speech he had to give that made him anxious (and the comic book store looked like it might be able to barely fit 36 people total, so that is likely not an issue anyway).

  • In the season 4 episode "The Cruciferous Vegetable Amplification", Sheldon builds a fairly complex remote controlled robot. This comes off as a bit weird when you consider that in the season 2 episode "The Killer Robot Instability" Sheldon and the gang are completely dependent on Wolowitz to build/repair their battle bot, and Sheldon isn't even sure how to open the toolbox.
  • In the season 4 episode "The Justice League Recombination", Sheldon has apparently gotten over his childhood fear of public speaking without the use of alcohol, demanding that he be heard in the middle of a New Year's Eve countdown even though back in the season 3 episode "The Pants Alternative", he allegedly panics when faced with "Any group big enough to trample me to death. General rule of thumb is 36 adults or 70 children."

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Apr 14th 2011 at 7:01:14 PM •••

OK, is the Penny/Leonard hook-up spoilered or not? Make up your darn minds, people! :) (Note that it's also, IIRC, inconsistent on the character page.

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Jun 6th 2011 at 12:28:12 AM •••

I'm going to go with the idea that the very concept that Penny and Leonard are the Official Couple it's guaranteed they would have dated at some point in the series, as even Penny mentioned in season two that even though it was one date (at that point) they still "dated." Revealing complex details surrounding their relationship should probably be spoilered, but the idea they actually go somewhere with the relationship is a no-brainer.

Apr 11th 2011 at 5:52:42 AM •••

Is it just me, or does this page and its sub-pages need a Curator to keep the tone neutral? It seems a lot of the comments try to sneak in over how much of a jerk Leonard is while some excuse Sheldon's jerkass action thanks to his quirks and possible Asperger's/autism*

. Maybe it's because I've no particular favorite (I like the show as a whole), but it does all seem a bit imbalanced. All of the main characters have been assholes toward each other at some point — ALL of them.

Granted, there's been some clean up now. However, it's been cleaned up before too, but ended up reverting to a crappy state because some tropers just can't restrain themselves from putting up Natter and Take Thats. The JBM, YMMV, and Character pages are especially vulnerable to this.

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Mar 21st 2011 at 6:52:50 PM •••

About the whole Hollywood Dateless thing (which I'm not arguing), I've only recently picked up the show and Archive Binged the series through the second season. But as a sort of side-effect of Better on DVD, I've noticed a progression of character development on a much faster level than watching it one a week.

But as far as Leonard's dating life is concerned, I think you can reasonably assume that A) his relationship success was always superior to Raj and Howard's, despite them mocking him for it and B) his actual dating life improved after his first date with Penny. Just having the knowledge that Penny showed any interest in him can likely be a big effect on his confidence, especially since Leslie suddenly took an interest in him because of that solitary date failing.

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Willbyr MOD
Mar 21st 2011 at 6:57:24 PM •••

Good points, and thanks for moving that to the right trope.

Mar 6th 2011 at 9:38:59 PM •••

A list of tropes I've removed:

  • Ascended Meme- the trope is about the Memetic Mutation amongst the fandom getting a nod within the original work, not about meme's gettting a Shout-Out.
  • Five-Man Band- The entry was more like a debatable Character Alignment thing, and should be about a team working on a project, not just vague personality quirks. Sheldon's theoretical band based off Star Trek is more a reference to the trope rather than actually using it, so that's the only thing that stayed.

Jan 3rd 2011 at 10:03:17 PM •••

I know this particular one is on YMMV, but...

  • Tear Jerker: Combined with Shout-Out and maybe a little Take That!. C'mon, you know you shed a little tear with this dialog, when Leonard and Sheldon are signing the Roommates Agreements:
    Sheldon: (Reading) "Roommates agree that Friday nights should be reserved for watching Joss Whedon's brilliant new series Firefly".
    Leonard: Does that really need to be in the agreement?.
    Sheldon: Might as well settle it now, it's gonna be on for years.

Seriously? An off-the-cuff joke about how they cancelled Firefly is a Tear Jerker now? Might this particular entry not possibly be an example of how some Firefly / Joss Whedon fans might instead need to do a bit of a perspective check?

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Jul 24th 2011 at 6:53:07 PM •••

I agree! I've always hated those types who snort at every Tear Jerker entry, but really?

Nov 19th 2010 at 3:38:05 PM •••

Is the Ho Yay between Howard and Raj really a YMMV? Considering what happened in the episode The Boyfriend Complexity, it can hardly be denied. Or am I missing the point?

Oct 19th 2010 at 7:55:43 PM •••

It Just Bugs Me! Page Cleanup

Recently, it looks to me like the Just Bugs Me page for the show has devolved from pointing out plotholes and such into just bitching about the quality of the show. I think we need to take a closer look at it and maybe post some guidelines as to what is and isn't acceptable as a nitpick.

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Oct 20th 2010 at 11:13:42 AM •••

Sounds good. I would like to see that as well.

Aug 2nd 2010 at 10:07:39 PM •••

Re: Defictionalization

Every shirt I've seen the characters wear so far existed prior to the show; a good number of them were already popular shirts on Think way before the show started airing. I believe this is also the case with Leonard and Sheldon's shower curtain. In other words, none of the items mentioned fit the criteria for the trope.

Willbyr MOD
Apr 12th 2010 at 2:17:18 PM •••

Re: Informed Ability

The reason this was edited to a fairly bland and neutral entry was to give it precisely that tone, as it was repeatedly removed for a harshly negative tone toward Sheldon and replaced by one anon editor who's got a beef against Sheldon (see the page's edit history). If some specific examples can be edited that don't have a decided bias, more power to the entry.

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Mar 6th 2011 at 9:40:43 PM •••

I know this is exceptionally later, but I took the example out altogether because Sheldon being smarter than everyone else is more Sheldon being an Insufferable Genius rather than the writing implying it.

Apr 11th 2010 at 8:07:07 PM •••

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... Retard Bimbo Maggot Neck? I have a feeling I don't even want to know the context of that; is it really a necessary part of the article?

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