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◦Similarly, Penny was a lot dumber initially (for example, proclaiming that she was a vegetarian but also mentioning how much she LOVES steak). She quickly moved from The Ditz to Closer to Earth.
Is there any other things in the older episodes that would prove she was supposed to be dumb? Cause some vegetarians do make exceptions for certain foods, and she says how much she loves steak while talking about how she's a vegetarian except for steak.
Truthfully that isn't the best example but that whole scene where she is describing herself shows her to be friendly but rather dim. The insistence that her screenplay isn't based on her life because she's from Omaha and not Lincoln, Nebraska is probably the best example of that. The line about how much she LOVES steak despite being a vegetarian implies she doesn't understand what being a vegetarian actually means.
I'm changing it to the screenplay, cause (again) some vegetarians do make exceptions for certain foods.
I took out the examples of Flanderization because the idea behind the trope is taking a small aspect of the character and making it their entire personality, usually with a reference to it Once an Episode. With those examples it was exaggerating how much it has "become their character."
Bernadettes "bio-weapon" jokes are rather minimal compared to her appearances on the show, mentioned about 4-5 times at most in the 15+ episodes she's been in. Similarly, Raj's "that sounds racist" jokes went up from maybe 2 or 3 in season one to about 4-5 in each succeeding season, it's an increase but not Once an Episode. As for Leonard, while he might be a little more short with Sheldon in recent years there is a difference between jokes at his expense (which is probably to keep Sheldon from dominating the show) and straight up exasperation with his quirks. The "I forget you're not a real boy" kind of lines are not frustration jokes.
The character page severy needs updating, It also should have folders: "Main Cast' and "Supporting Cast".
Characters missing are:
Stuart, Barry Kripke, Zach, Howard's mother, Sheldon's mother, Lenard's mother, Raj's Parents, Priya.
Hello? Why isn't anyone persuing this?
Are yous all oblivious. Character page needs updating. Seriously.
P.S. Left out two other missing characters (Dr. Gabelhause and Leslie Winkle).
I took out the Continuity Snarl entries because it was inferring a lot of information without explaining details. Sheldon had no idea how to modify Howard's custom-built combat robot (with the tool-box gag just that, a gag) while it is likely he could order the parts needed for his "virtual presense" robot and not have to do a whole lot of personal building. And for Sheldon's abilities in public speaking he seems fine with impromptu speeches and lectures, it was the huge formal speech he had to give that made him anxious (and the comic book store looked like it might be able to barely fit 36 people total, so that is likely not an issue anyway).
OK, is the Penny/Leonard hook-up spoilered or not? Make up your darn minds, people! :) (Note that it's also, IIRC, inconsistent on the character page.
I'm going to go with the idea that the very concept that Penny and Leonard are the Official Couple it's guaranteed they would have dated at some point in the series, as even Penny mentioned in season two that even though it was one date (at that point) they still "dated." Revealing complex details surrounding their relationship should probably be spoilered, but the idea they actually go somewhere with the relationship is a no-brainer.
Is it just me, or does this page and its sub-pages need a Curator to keep the tone neutral? It seems a lot of the comments try to sneak in over how much of a jerk Leonard is while some excuse Sheldon's jerkass action thanks to his quirks and possible Asperger's/autism* which is a bit annoying to real people with it who try hard 'not to use it as an excuse for being an asshole . Maybe it's because I've no particular favorite (I like the show as a whole), but it does all seem a bit imbalanced. All of the main characters have been assholes toward each other at some point — ALL of them.
Granted, there's been some clean up now. However, it's been cleaned up before too, but ended up reverting to a crappy state because some tropers just can't restrain themselves from putting up Natter and Take Thats. The JBM, YMMV, and Character pages are especially vulnerable to this.
About the whole Hollywood Dateless thing (which I'm not arguing), I've only recently picked up the show and Archive Binged the series through the second season. But as a sort of side-effect of Better on DVD, I've noticed a progression of character development on a much faster level than watching it one a week.
But as far as Leonard's dating life is concerned, I think you can reasonably assume that A) his relationship success was always superior to Raj and Howard's, despite them mocking him for it and B) his actual dating life improved after his first date with Penny. Just having the knowledge that Penny showed any interest in him can likely be a big effect on his confidence, especially since Leslie suddenly took an interest in him because of that solitary date failing.
Good points, and thanks for moving that to the right trope.
A list of tropes I've removed:
I know this particular one is on YMMV, but...
Seriously? An off-the-cuff joke about how they cancelled Firefly is a Tear Jerker now? Might this particular entry not possibly be an example of how some Firefly / Joss Whedon fans might instead need to do a bit of a perspective check?
I agree! I've always hated those types who snort at every Tear Jerker entry, but really?
Is the Ho Yay between Howard and Raj really a YMMV? Considering what happened in the episode The Boyfriend Complexity, it can hardly be denied. Or am I missing the point?
It Just Bugs Me! Page Cleanup
Recently, it looks to me like the Just Bugs Me page for the show has devolved from pointing out plotholes and such into just bitching about the quality of the show. I think we need to take a closer look at it and maybe post some guidelines as to what is and isn't acceptable as a nitpick.
Sounds good. I would like to see that as well.
Every shirt I've seen the characters wear so far existed prior to the show; a good number of them were already popular shirts on Think Geek.com way before the show started airing. I believe this is also the case with Leonard and Sheldon's shower curtain. In other words, none of the items mentioned fit the criteria for the trope.
Re: Informed Ability
The reason this was edited to a fairly bland and neutral entry was to give it precisely that tone, as it was repeatedly removed for a harshly negative tone toward Sheldon and replaced by one anon editor who's got a beef against Sheldon (see the page's edit history). If some specific examples can be edited that don't have a decided bias, more power to the entry.
I know this is exceptionally later, but I took the example out altogether because Sheldon being smarter than everyone else is more Sheldon being an Insufferable Genius rather than the writing implying it.
... Retard Bimbo Maggot Neck? I have a feeling I don't even want to know the context of that; is it really a necessary part of the article?
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