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Apr 19th 2019 at 6:44:18 PM •••

Assume, in a hypothetical work, that the author has always intended for a particular twist to happen, but that the twist was set up poorly and had little to no buildup. Is this still a Shocking Swerve, or is it a different trope?

Edited by LavaringX
Nov 7th 2018 at 8:59:23 AM •••

Since this trope is about spoilers and plot twists, should we just unmark all spoilers?

Jul 8th 2014 at 5:59:29 PM •••

A plot twist that makes no sense given what was established by the narrative? Why is this on the subjective tab? This isn't an audience reaction, it can't be an audience reaction when it was named by a person on a show where it happened! Don't try to play the negativity card either, the only reason this is considered a "bad" trope is because Vince Russo overused it in two national promotions, WCW and TNA.

It can be viewed positively too. The Shield turning on The Authority made little sense and was only done to make fans happy. Making fans unhappy being the only reason the Shield existed, but it was a shocking swerve that made fans happy. Whether anyone likes it or not is the audience reaction, not the swerve itself. Similarly, a shocking swerve can make sense later down the road when given viewers are given new information, such as when Jimmy Jacobs sided with Kevin Steen after ROH Showdown In The Sun. Not sure anyone liked that one, but the ROH bots had to agree Jim Cornette and Delirious pulled it off better than Russo.

As a matter of fact, this seems like the typical Vince Russo blame shifting. People reacted negatively to his shocking swerve? Well shocking swerve is subjective, even though Tony Schiavone is confirming these are indeed shocking swerves every other week. Every criticism of Vince Russo as a writer who abused a trope loses less value because shocking swerves are not really tropes a writer uses, just fan reactions, all evidence to the contrary.

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Jul 9th 2014 at 1:11:37 AM •••

Whether it "makes no sense" can lead to fan debates. That's why it's YMMV.

May 19th 2016 at 12:03:53 AM •••

I just think the trope needs a better name

Mar 5th 2014 at 10:43:48 PM •••

Also removed the Wizards First Rule example:

  • Terry Goodkind's Wizard's First Rule is a fairly classic fantasy tale about a boy with a legendary sword and a woman with mystical powers and an old catankerous wizard who go to a magical land across the mountains to fight evil. Three quarters of the way through the book the main character is kidnapped by a dominatrix with a magical taser and taken away to be tortured for a while until he accidentally enters a Zen state that unlocks his magic sword's true power and causes the dominatrix to Heel–Face Turn in the process..

This isn't a Shocking Swerve. It's not even a twist. It's just bringing in a new villain and dealing with the plot it added. It's like saying that Boba Fett and the bounty hunters are a twist.

Mar 5th 2014 at 10:28:06 PM •••

Removed the following from the M. Night Shamalan example:

  • Signs: The aliens are real, but they're vulnerable to water and the main character's wife had psychic visions or something before she died!
  • The Village: It's not really in the past, they just pretend that it is! It's taken out of "Running Out of Time" by Margaret Peterson Haddix and yet Shyamalan managed to ruin Haddix's legitimate twist by turning it into a Shocking Swerve.
    • A few grating apparent anachronisms appeared (such as modern eyeglasses) that foreshadowed the twist, though.

Neither of these are shocking swerves. Signs made it obvious from early in the film that the aliens were real, foreshadowed the weakness, and neither of these are impossible or impractical from what was established (also the wife isn't psychic, but rather implied to be passing on the Word of God) In the Village, the twist has some subtle foreshadowing and while might be somewhat out of the blue, definitely fits the story so far.

I haven't seen Happening so I'm not sure about that one.

Feb 14th 2011 at 7:37:13 AM •••

Similar to the Mintberry Crunch example, wasn't Who Shot Mr. Burns a parody of this tendency?

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