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May 14th 2016 at 5:58:54 PM •••

. . . isn't the Willy Wonka quote about wallpaper? Like, when you lick the picture of the snozzberry on the wallpaper, it tastes like a real snozzberry, as opposed to, say, artificial flavoring, or just paper? Or something like that.

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Feb 11th 2019 at 2:31:38 AM •••

Yeah...people forget he also says \"the oranges taste like oranges\" and nobody bats an eye at that, because he clearly means \"the oranges [on the wall] taste like orange [fruits]\". He\'s even asked \"what\'s a snozzberry?\" and he does NOT answer \"it tastes like a snozzberry\". Bad example, tear it down!

Feb 19th 2016 at 8:01:28 PM •••

Is that picture mathematically accurate?

Mar 31st 2015 at 2:52:59 PM •••

I'm wondering if 'free gratis' is a good example. There is after all 'libre' which isn't the same thing.

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Feb 11th 2019 at 2:44:45 AM •••

It\'s not a great example, but it is still redundant if \"gratis\" is simply one of several types of \"free\". It\'d be like saying \"chihuahua dog\".

That kind of example really shouldn\'t count anyway in my opinion. We already have the Department Of Redundancy Department.

Edit: Although as I have just had to painstakingly research, that trope is intended to be just for things with literal repetition, even though many other things could be called redundant; whereas this trope is actually the one for general redundancy, even though the name implies a much more specific kind of turn of phrase. Bleh!

Edited by jerodast
Mar 6th 2015 at 10:43:04 AM •••

Removing this example from the Music section:

  • In the song "Africa" by Toto, we are told that "Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus." Comparing a mountain to a mountain.

The line isn't "Kilimanjaro rises like a mountain," which would be an example of this trope. It's comparing Kilimanjaro to one specific mountain, namely Olympus, so it doesn't fit this trope. "Kilimanjaro rises like Olympus" means it's not rising like Everest, or like Denali, or like Mauna Kea.

Dec 10th 2014 at 5:41:44 PM •••

I removed these because they are just apt descriptive names, not actually redundant. It's like saying "brown dog" is redundant because it describes a brown dog. These would only make sense if they were something like (e.g.) "the electron-moving electromotive force", "the onion tear-inductive lacrimony factor".

  • In a battery, the force that causes electrons to move is known as the 'electromotive force', which means 'the force that causes electrons to move'.
  • Similar to the above example, the thing about onions that makes you cry is called the 'onion lacrimatory factor', which means 'the thing about onions that makes you cry'.
  • A 'dental fricative' letter sound is one that causes your teeth to wobble or rub together as you say it, which is pretty much exactly what the phrase 'dental fricative' means.

Feb 11th 2014 at 8:27:27 AM •••

A number of examples on this page are wrong, with previous editors mistaking clarification and slight semantic differences for repetition. If I were to delete or change them all myself, the page would be significantly shorter and my edit would probably be reverted by some well-meaning person who didn't bother to read it through. What should be done?

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Feb 11th 2014 at 8:52:06 AM •••

Put an explanatory edit reason in. And make sure that they are actually wrong. I didn't notice anything bad there.

Nov 8th 2012 at 10:45:52 PM •••

In the quote from Antony And Cleopatra, the link to Crocodile Tears in Antony's last line seems like a bit of a sinkhole to me. The trope being linked to is about fake tears, and the pothole text is just about a crocodile's tears.

Basically, it seems like either an unrelated tidbit about beliefs about crocodiles being tossed in, or like the link was put in just because the name of the trope sounded relevant to the line, and not because the trope had anything to do with the line being used as the link.

Maybe I'm missing something, as my memories of the play the quote is from aren't that clear. Thoughts?

Jul 16th 2012 at 9:38:39 PM •••

Would that famous definition of pornography/obscenity ("I know it when I see it") be an example of this trope?

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Feb 11th 2019 at 2:54:46 AM •••

For the record, that example IS listed in the Real Life page for this trope.

It\'s a better example than 90% of the others here for what it\'s worth. Most of these are indistinguishable from a Department Of Redundancy Department example. That one at least is a statement meaning \"pornography is defined as what I see as pornography\", following the usage if not the exact phrasing of the trope namer.

IMO this one is in serious Trope Decay and needs some repair.

Feb 23rd 2012 at 10:28:53 PM •••

  • In the romantic comedy Intolerable Cruelty, the main character is a member of the National Organization of Marital Attorneys, Nationwide (in other words, he's a divorce lawyer). This is for no other reason than for the organization to have the acronym N.O.M.A.N.. The organization's motto is "Let N.O.M.A.N. put asunder."

I'm trying to figure out how this is an example . . .

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Jan 18th 2012 at 12:20:43 PM •••

In Lexx 1.2 Super Nova, they meet a hologram named Poet Man.

Stan: Who's he? Kai: Poet Man. Stan: Who's Poet Man? Kai: A poet man.

Sep 16th 2011 at 9:19:24 AM •••

While the xkcd picture is funny, I don't think it's completely representative of the page.

In a very xkcd'ish fashion it presents a funny mathematical dilemma: How to draw a pie chart when the pie chart itself affects its own shape? (In other words, if you are making a pie chart representing how much the image is covered by white and how much with black, the pie chart itself affects the result. How do you calculate the correct portion?)

However, while a clever picture, I'm not sure this is a good representative of "shaped like itself".

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Nov 22nd 2011 at 1:38:56 PM •••

True. The value of black goes up with the text, borders and whatnot being black, and so the amount of black part goes up, which further increases the amount of black. It's not really a tautology.

Jul 25th 2011 at 9:50:11 PM •••

Not sure if this belongs here or not. One thing that irritates me is the tendency to have labelling on a product that says, "12 ounces. 20% larger! than our 10 ounce size."

It's actually 3 labels. The "12 ounces" is the actual size of the product. "20% larger!" is written in huge letters, and "...than our 10 ounce size" is written very small directly underneath it. But when you string them together as I did above, the result is... well, duh.

May 28th 2011 at 11:29:08 AM •••

Exactly What It Says on the Tin is when a work's name tells you exactly what the work is about.

Shaped Like Itself is about a statement that is true by nature, i.e., "it is shaped like itself."

Not sure how they're similar.

Edited by ading
Mar 14th 2011 at 8:55:01 AM •••

  • Questionable Content has this exchange between Faye and Raven.
    Faye: "Raven, do you ever feel even the slightest urge to listen to music that hasn't been hand-fed to you by MTV or Clear Channel?"
    Raven: "I don't really know what you mean. I just like the stuff I hear on the radio."
    • How is this redundant?

Deleted "How is this redundant?" I figured just nukin' it didn't seem fair, so I put it here since the question should have been asked on the discussion page to begin with.

As for why I deleted it, Raven doesn't seem to be the sort to listen to NPR much. Which, if one is still too lazy to look up Clear Channel, means she almost certainly either listens to Clear Channel or thinks static is music, since they live in the United States. (Although if they live close enough to the Canadian border, they might get some CHUM Radio channels.)

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May 31st 2011 at 3:43:53 PM •••

That still doesn't explain how "I just like the stuff I hear on the radio" is a tautology. Note that for it to be a valid example it would have to be literally inconceivable in practice or in theory for the statement to be false.

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Jan 13th 2011 at 2:00:34 AM •••

"The following message is a message from the DORD Department." I thought "dord" meant "density".

Jan 12th 2011 at 9:09:11 PM •••

hi, i came to mention that the recursive acronym ZWEI works as well with english numbering, though perhaps not as precisely. two was one once, making the acronym TWOO.

Aug 22nd 2010 at 12:01:28 AM •••

It's not just you. Only a couple appear to eligible for both.

Nov 11th 2010 at 8:56:42 AM •••

The folder names seem like that, though.

Feb 14th 2011 at 9:55:14 AM •••

I agree they should be moved. At least the Real Life examples.

Apr 4th 2011 at 11:15:38 PM •••

I'm not even sure I see why this should be its own trope, the whole thing seems kind of- Oh. Now I see.

May 28th 2011 at 11:27:21 AM •••

Yeah, I'm not sure what the difference is.

EDIT: Reread the description, and realized they're unrelated.

Edited by ading
Oct 1st 2011 at 10:58:56 AM •••

Does anyone know why it's being used like DORD?

Oct 1st 2011 at 11:39:57 AM •••

^ Quite possibly because the folder names look like DORD.

Oct 11th 2011 at 2:55:21 PM •••

It seems like a Super Trope. Could be wrong on that though.

Jan 6th 2012 at 12:11:07 PM •••

I think the difference between Department of Redundancy Department and Shaped Like Itself should be mentioned in trope description. I can well understand why these tropes get mixed, although the difference is clear:


"Alice is a female girl of the feminine gender"

Shaped like itself:

"Alice looks just like Alice!"

Edited by Jusamies
Feb 11th 2019 at 3:13:02 AM •••

All you people 7 years ago seem to have come to a consensus about the difference between the tropes, to the degree that I almost feel like you\'re trolling me with \"yeah they look the same - oh now I see it\" with no further explanation.

I agree that \"female feminine girl\" should fall under dord and not this trope. But that is NOT what the description says, which immediately uses \"free gratis\" as an example. The description still makes a joking reference to DORD with no clarification about the difference. Tautology is a synonym of redundancy in general usage.

Gonna start a newer thread to discuss further.

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