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Can someone tell me where a bigger picture of the main picture can be found. I can almost see a lot of details, it's a little aggravating.
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One thing I noticed is that you highlighted Lust as "Desire for Pleasure". From what I saw about this yesterday Lust is not only realized in carnal pleasure, but also by the ease of the person being seduced by something or being easily manipulated by someone. I think that detail is missing and Lust. I would like to post that detail, but someone may reverse the edit by posting a lame excuse to justify the edit.
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There's enough typos that I genuinely cannot understand what you're trying to say.
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First, I have to apologize for the spelling mistakes because I was in a hurry and did not check such errors because the translator I used has no spell checker. Now, back to the point, the other sins are explained very well, but Lust is not. As I saw in a video in my language (maybe you can find it in yours) it says Lust is not only the "Desire for Pleasure", but also the habit of being easily manipulated by someone or idolizing someone because of his or her looks and good manners.
We can remove Sponge Bob, as the "evidence" for Sponge Bob himself uses lust metaphorically. Plus, Hillenburg originally planned for Plankton to be a one-time character.
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Anyone know where I can read Wailing Seven? The fic mentioned in the article.
I don't know where I'd put this, but the idea of despair being automatically sinful doesn't make sense to me. Isn't it important to Know When to Fold 'Em?
What doesn’t kill you makes you... stranger
I'm thinking of doing a list of songs that remind me of the sins... as well as the virtues, though the latter is a bit trickier to come up with. Would anyone be interested in what I have so far?
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What doesn’t kill you makes you... stranger
I'm just curious, is there a character (or characters) who actually embodies all seven sins at once?
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There are a few that I can think of, but off the top of my head, there's Eric Cartman, Ghetsis Harmonia and Dante. Dante's the only one I can think of who has this going on intentionally, though.
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Any special reason why the Real Life section was deleted? The edit is in History, but attributed no reason. Seems like nitpicking or random deletion? Mindful of flame wars emerging, I'm not restoring the deletion - but forgive me for feeling the temptation to...
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Why is everything associated with Goats? Are goats terrible and sinful in every way?
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Goats are associated with the devil since a long time. I am not familiar with the details though.
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Well, the fertility god pan with his giant phallus and balls was considered satanic, as were satyrs for what ever reason, to the European converts. Also, goats were favored by the Muslim invaders, whom everyone was afraid of after they wiped out the Visigoths, so there is those timeless traditions of war propaganda and religious demonization too. There is probably more to it than that but that's what I know.
That's why he wants you to have the money. Not so you can buy 14 Cadillacs but so you can help build up the wastes
Are any of these Vices actually praised in the Bible despite someone listing them as the Deadly Sins?
Hatred is not included as one of the Vices or is conflated with Wrath(despite it being Disrespect not lashing out in Anger) and the Bible clearly indicates Hatred and more importantly Self-Hatred as praise worthy unlike human Anger.
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Wrath is the only of the Seven that received a "positive" variant by the guys listing the sins, exactly because of their positive portrayal in the Bible.
Hatred ironically isn't Anger/Wrath by literal definition(Hatred just low esteem while Anger is a lashing out of emotion at being wronged) and unlike Wrath/Anger is praised rather than criticised. Also since Hatred just low esteem Self-Hatred is technically Humility....
Hatred is the Virtue opposite of Pride it seems... Not a variant of Wrath/Anger(at least as far as the Dictionary and the Bible is concerned).
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The "Pandora" series by Carolyn Hennessy have a young adult take on the sins (known here as Great Evils):
Book 1, "Pandora Gets Jealous," has a 13-year old Pandora having to recapture Envy in the Box she accidentally opens. If she can't get Envy and the other Six Evils back in the box in six months, the world will end.
Book 2, "Pandora Gets Vain," has her deal with recapturing Vanity (Pride).
Book 3, "Pandora Gets Lazy," has Laziness (Sloth) as the target.
Book 4, "Pandora Gets Heart," has Pandy time-warped to capture Lust.
Book 5, "Pandora Gets Angry," targets Rage (Wrath) in the Persian Desert.
Book 6, "Pandora Gets Greedy," has Pandy in Rome trying to recapture Greed—and when the Greek Gods meet their Roman Counterparts, too.
The recently-released Seventh (and final) Book is "Pandora Gets Frightened," where the worst of the Evils, Fear (to show a more menacing foe than Gluttony to a young person), is waiting for them in the Underworld.
Should make for a good thing under "Literature" if we don't mind replacing Gluttony with Fear.
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Looks like a very clear invocation of the seven deadly sins, despite having one deliberately altered. Go ahead and add it.
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According to Wikipedia there used to be Eight Deadly sins: Gluttony, Lust, Greed, Pride, Sadness, Wrath, Sloth and Deceitful Boasting/Unjustified Bragging/Conceit.
Pope Gregory merged Despair with Sloth and also merged Conceit with Pride and added Envy making them the Seven we know today.
What is the biggest different between Greed and Gluttony? They often treated as the same and the page don't really point it out. "Desire for more","desire for things" ???
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Greed is the desire for material goods, like money, jewels, cars, etc.
Gluttony is the desire for food and, to a lesser extent, drink.
Basically, greed (aka avarice) is the desire to "have" as much as possible, while gluttony is the desire to "consume" more than your fair share. Bear in mind these concepts were first laid out by monks in a monastery, for whom hogging the food supply was a serious matter.
Nowadays, Gluttony equates to more than food. The post above mine got it right, consuming more than your fair share is what it's all about, but that isn't limited to dietary consumtion.
It can also be seen as taking more than what you need when others need it as well. Taking The Order of the Stick into account, Haley might show signs of both greed and gluttony, as she takes more money than she needs comppared to the rest of the group. IF she were to never spend it, it'll be a waste, and a bigger sign of gluttony.
Comparing the Seven Deadly Sins to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
Pride, Envy, Greed and Wrath lead to War.
Gluttony leads to Famine.
I guess Sloth can lead to Pestilence.
But how can Lust lead to Death?
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Also ST Ds, which would fit under Pestilence. And pregnancy, which would lead to overpopulation and thus further death as the world becomes too crowded.
When did I become such a bleeding-heart? I'm the one who shouldn't be caring!
Also, war, famine, and pestilence all can lead to death.
I'm a Troper!!!
Should this example/comment under Comics (DC) be faded out: "This troper remembers seeing "Ignorance" as well."
It seems a bit vague, and I've found no reference to this, at e.g.
http://www.dcuguide.com/who.php?name=sevendeadlyenemiesofman
http://www.dcauresource.com/supermanshazamprofiles/objects/s/sevendeadlyenemiesofman.php
I think that troper might have confused "Injustice" (as someone pointed out, later replaced by "Lust") and "Ignorance"?
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I removed that bullet; This Troper natter of dubious accuracy is never needed. If injustice was one, that can be added with proper Example Indentation.
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I want to know if there is a tropes page that shows examples of characters in TV shows, movies and video games that could represent the Seven Deadly Sins. Kind of like the Five Man Band examples page. If there is, please send me a link!
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How is it that Lust is associated with the color blue, when traditional symbolism associates it (and general passion, including anger) with red?
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Red is associated with Wrath because Red is often linked with anger.
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So, where are we getting this information about the patron demons of the sins? Most works that I know of treat Lucifer and Satan as the same demon under different names. (Shin Megami Tensei doesn't, so differentiating the two might be part of Gnosticism, but I don't really know.)
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Some people probably separate them. But I think it's more of how they convey the sin; Lucifer is Pride because he put himself above God, Satan is Wrath because he's a force of uncontrollable hatred and destruction, Beelzebub is Gluttony because he devours everything in his path, Asmodeus is Lust because he twists the sexual desires of others, Leviathan is Envy because he's a literal Green Eyed Monster, Mammon is Greed/Avarice because he embodies wealth, status, money and power, and Belphegor is Sloth because he's lazy and encourages others to be lazy.
Not quite accurate translation... Acedia isn't quite sloth - it's discouragement (which is not quite the same as sloth). Luxuria is extravagance, not quite lust. However, translating it like that wouldn't parallel the page...
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Luxuria is actually the original (or one translation of...I think) lust. It's a desire for pleasure in the abstract* , I think, so "luxuria" could qualify as at least being a part of this.
As for Acedia, it originally meant to despair. The reason it's related/connected to/replaced with sloth is because in many cases, people who are in despair aren't motivated to do things, so it leads to things like giving up and procrastinating.
There's also "Superbia," which is Latin, and it can mean both "pride" and "superior/superb(ness)". Either way, it's correct for the given meaning of it.
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Quite a lot of the examples on the page are just listing character traits that sort of line up with them rather than the deadly sin being represented or mentioned as a factor. Let's take the Frozen example:
Frozen (2013): (Spoilered Character) suffers from six of these sins. Pride: Spare to the Throne of his kingdom, he wants to become the ruler of any country via shortcuts. If he became king, he'll force his brothers to acknowledge him as an equal. Gluttony: If one goes by the Biblical definition, he's already wealthy being the prince of a foreign kingdom, but wants to ascend over his current status. Greed: He's a power-hungry backstabber. Why would he care about familial or romantic relations when he's pursuing a kingdom? Lust: He tried courting Elsa but backed off when told that she's a reclusive person. Envy: He grew up in the shadow of 12 older brothers, all of whom are more successful than he is. Wrath: His pursuit of power masks his ultimate desire to get back at his older brothers, whom he never bonded with in youth. Sloth: The only sin he doesn't suffer from. Not only does Hans puts a lot of thought and effort into his plans, but he also decided to save Elsa from being killed by one of the duke's men, when he could have easily of finished his plan to kill Elsa by allowing the guard to kill her, claim he couldn't stop him in time and use said guard as a scapegoat to avoid looking bad."
Sure, agree, this is an accurate character analysis. But what do they have to do with the sins? Wouldn't all characters, especially villains, represent some of these traits? And it isn't the only example, either. Many other examples, Chowder, Fire Lord Ozai, Terry Silver, they don't have any connection to the deadly sins.
I could add an example about how the Scooby-Doo gang represent the deadly sins and it would fall exactly in line with how the trope is currently. It comes off as "Hey, this character is a character! Here's things that describe them!"
If Word of God or popular fan theory states that they were connected to the sins in some way, like the popular fan theory of the Spongebob cast connecting to the seven deadly sins, that'd be one thing, but right now it's not very good.
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