Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Find a way to allow real life examples?
, started by Kayube on Sep 7th 2011 at 11:59:36 PM
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Well, obviously they're gone now, but I don't see why real life examples aren't allowed. There really are plenty of existing groups named like this, and it's probably the reason why it happens in fiction. I guess the idea is that we don't want to make the modern-day members of these societies seem like racists?
I think there should be real life examples. At the very least there are similar enough real life occurrence that deserve some discussion, if only intimate why calling naming the nearby group barbarians (because the only sound they make is bar), or Ajam (because you cannot comprehend what they are saying) is any different.
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The only real life example I can find is the Indigenous Alaskan tribe, the Central Yupik. Their name for themselves is derived from the Yupik word "yuk" (person) and then the postbase "-pik" (real or genuine).
Indeed, this is what Paul John, a Yupik elder has to say:
Hi, I would want to discuss if adding a reference to MartÃn Fierro is advisable: Martin Fierro is a story about a [[Gaucho]] (an Argentinian born misceginated man) who was one of the survivors of the Final Solution executed by the Argentinian goverment on the local population (Gauchos and Indians) so they could replace them with whites inmigrants born in Europe (the only civilized people). However, due to his ignorance, Martin Fierro ignores all this, but he considers himself a white "christian" and those whites immigrants he calls them "gringos" because they can't speak good spanish. Also, Gauchos considered anyone who cannot speak spanish well "not christian", meaning an animal. There is an article at the Cervantes Library that explains this (but that article is in spanish): https://cvc.cervantes.es/trujaman/anteriores/agosto_05/10082005.htm#np2n
I understand the police about no Real Life examples, but this work is Argentine's national book because it reflected the culture of the times. And notice that Martin Fierro racism against gringos (white immigrants) and indians are the very things that ensured his demise on the story.
Thank you for your attention.
Edited the article. At first, I was going to argue strongly for allowing real-life examples again... but then my investigation failed to turn up any examples. This is a surprisingly narrow trope, and I'm starting to wonder whether any society has ever fulfilled both halves of it at once.
I left a standing invitation to anyone who can find a real-world example, to come discuss it here before adding it. I'm adding this trope to my watchlist, too.
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The description is much too long. The entire second half is a digression into the etymology of real-world names which are not actually examples of the trope. All that doesn't belong there.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Germany.
The German name for their country, Deutschland, is derived from the early medieval German word diutisc, which meant "of the people." And many other languages refer to them with some word derived from Alemanni (such as the French Allemagne), a Roman-era Germanic tribe whose name might have meant "all men."
I'm not sure how many other examples there could be, but it could explain where the trope came from.