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, started by Kuruni on Sep 30th 2017 at 8:42:21 AM
Should a common example of "civilian form" is added to trope description? The one form that the character (usually Henshin Hero) has access to very little or no power, but it sure doesn't stand out in public.
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Edited Thunder Breaster for Ultraman Orb from Stone Wall to Mighty Glacier. He not only displayed great durability and endurance, but great strength and power as well at the cost of agility.
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Makes sense almost every Heisei Ultraman has a Mighty Glacier within their forms
Alright, I just gave big overhaul for Kamen Rider examples.
Most important, the old examples are just cluster of links to other articles and without proper explanation. Upon working on them, I also notice that there were many misuse too. Mostly about how any fast form will be labeled as Fragile Speedster, or high attack form will be labeled as Glass Cannon, despite there's nothing indicate that the form has low defense, which is essential to both trope.
The heart of this trope is how various forms of a character are balanced with each other, not just a character with many forms that function differently - that's Swiss-Army Hero.
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Beast doesn't use this trope, he's simple Swiss-Army Hero. The Mantle give him a boost and/or ability, but they don't come with drawback.
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I suggest that when we get data on Kamen Rider Ghost, Kamen Rider series should get it own folder.
Will add hidden note in article.
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I removed the following bit from the Ultraman Tiga example:
Joke Character (Tiga Dark), Stone Wall (Tiga Tornado) and Master of None (Tiga Blast) *.
The hottip outright says these are Evolution Powerup. Plus, during the movie when he actually uses those forms, he wasn't actually capable of switching between them at will. He powered up from one form to the next.
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No objection.
I guess the relation between Evolution Powerup and Multiform Balance should be elaborate more...hmmm
Just overhauled the Mobile Suit Gundam SEED entry. Just pick Strike and Impulse out because they're two that actaully use more than single Mecha Expansion Pack. Frankly enough, while ZAKU is compatible with three Wizards, each unit only use one (Luna alway use Gunner, Rey alway use Blaze).
Of cause, they can be add later as well as other units.
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Bits about Den-O's performance. Please check official pages for Sword form and Wing form and compare. Basically Wing form has weaker punch (4t to 5t), but make up with stronger kick (8t to 7t). However, it's much superior in term of speed, with much better jump ability (50m to 35m) and running speed (3.8 sec/100m to 5.2 sec/100m). There is reason why Wing form was listed as Super Mode for a while.
Hope this can prevent the edit war.
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Majority? Come on, how you know it's really majority? I don't care who's insisting, but your statement is against official stats (which I provide above). And yes, I did watched it.
I don't revert it back to avoid Edit War, but it's clear that we need another voice.
Here's the entry.
- Den-O: Joke Character (Plat Form (geddit?)), Lightning Bruiser (Sword Form), Stone Wall (Rod Form), Mighty Glacier (Ax Form), Glass Cannon (Gun Form), Jack of All Stats (Wing Form), Super Mode (Climax Form), Ditto Fighter/Fragile Speedster (Liner Form). The fourth movie adds the Wing Form to Climax Form to make Super Climax Form.
Try to talk about it please, before attempting to add it back.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
The other opinion* on the entry is thus
- Den-O: Joke Character (Plat Form (geddit?)), Jack of All Stats (Sword Form), Stone Wall (Rod Form), Mighty Glacier (Ax Form), Glass Cannon (Gun Form), Lightning Bruiser (Wing Form), Super Mode (Climax Form), Ditto Fighter/Fragile Speedster (Liner Form). The fourth movie adds the Wing Form to Climax Form to make Super Climax Form.
I feel that it reflects the truth better
In addition to above, I would like to note that, according to Japanese The Other Wiki, riders from Kamen Riderkabuto has rarely use command "Put on" to re-equip armor and thus it's legimate entry.
- EDIT* Checked, the example can be seen in episode 24, though only partial.
Good to know I'm not alone in this. I will admit that I'm one that's never actually watched any Kamen Rider series beyond random YouTube clips, but I've read up on the franchise both here and elsewhere and never ever got the impression that Wing Form was weaker than Sword Form. Sword Form's not weak by any means; but like I noted on the Lightning Bruiser page: Sword is strong, Wing is stronger.
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The page image is incorrect Deoxys-normal has a speed of 150 not 50