Discussion Main / MeasuringTheMarigolds

It makes some sense that a site specifically dedicated TO measuring [narrative] marigolds would be pissy about this trope, but if -more than half- the page is dedicated to inversions something has gone wrong. We either need to slash and burn the page down to the actual examples or rename this to 'Really Defensive Science Nerd.'

So, I notice that maybe one or two of the Real Life section is an actual example of this trope, while all the rest are examples of this not happening. I get a lot of people on this site don't like this trope, but it's like if All Men Are Perverts had a real life section which was just a list of real men who hadn't molested anyone.

I dunno if it's ok to just delete most of the real life section, or if this needs a trope repair thread, but this probably needs to be pruned or, at the very least, put into an inversions section.

Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename, started by Rothul on Jan 3rd 2011 at 6:15:27 AM

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

I feel like, as this page is basically half inversions, that inversions of this trope are Egregious enough to deserve their own trope. I made a YKTTW here: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=t6n7xq6vvyurhcv5h4lzmdsw

The religion of Islam had nothing whatsoever to do with the advance of math or any other science. The reason Islam is attributed with such things is because the Islamic caliphate conquered and subjugated thousands of peoples and cultures and then laid claim to all the progress and developments those people made as their own.... a pre-industrial version of a mass corporate takeover. It is also especially notable that, once the advance of Islamic conquest was halted and turned back, the scientific contributions from the Islamic world effectively ceased.... and have remained at effectively nil ever since the Crusades.

One variant I've seen relates to emotions in particular: understanding that feelings (love being the biggest offender), are ultimately electric impulses and chemical reactions in the brain automatically means one will be robotic and cold. Why bother responding to mere biochemical reactions; they don't mean anything, they aren't magical, and they have no logical purpose.

Does this belong here?

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This is just something that got my knickers in a twist. That dude who accused TV Tropes of being bad on that blog? If your enjoyment of fiction is so fucking fragile that you need to remain permanently ignorant and you stop enjoying it the moment somebody explains it to you, maybe you shouldn't have the right to read/watch fiction. Twatbundle.

</rant over>

Also, thanks TVT for putting into words a trope that's annoyed me for a long time but I couldn't really explain properly. :D

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Are there truly no video game examples of this trope, or is it simply that nobody has added any?

Sorry, this is meant to be a reply to the above topic, but this system doesn't want to show it, for some reason, so I'm trying a different method. Apologies for all the blank spots, and if someone could tell me if I'm doing anything wrong?

I don't see anything wrong with the main text, give or take one or two exaggerations. It doesn't seem to imply anything other than those who 'analyse things for a living' seem to get an unfair reputation in the media as boring, shallow and sad. The third paragraph was probably a bit OTT about how wrong such a reputation is, but otherwise I don't see where exactly the tone suggests anyone who thinks differently is 'obviously insane and wrong'.

As for the examples, well, there I can see your point. Not all of them suggest it, some are pretty neutral, but this sort of thing has to go:

'TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Life! Reducing stories to their fundamental tropes takes away all the magic and wonder! </sarcasm> '

I'll get right on it.

Last point: I think there might be a misunderstanding here. Perhaps some tropers do feel 'vitriolic' about it. If it's about the mere existence of this trope, well, I'd agree with you. Sooner or later, you find someone who tends to be a little more analytical and stoic than emotionally awed, and to deny that such people exist would be silly. I think the main gripe, though, is how ubiquitous this trope is, and how it's treated as the norm rather than as an exception. No one wants to feel they're being misrepresented, do they?

Can't say how you feel about it - lost something, gained something, indifferent - but personally I like to think of learning about refraction in rainbows as a double dose of pleasure rather than a halving. Not necessarily the same kind of pleasure, granted, but pleasure nonetheless.

I'm not fond of the tone of this article. I know that most tropers are young nerds and probably feel the need to defend things like math and science from these accusations, the article as written seems to imply that anyone who thinks that digging deep and unraveling the mysteries just might listen the awe and wonder is obviously insane and wrong. I guess what I'm saying is that the article is too one sided. I for example think that I see the stars differently now that I know the physics and chemistry of them than I did in my youth. I might have lost something, and I might of gained something also, and I don't understand the vitriol this trope seems to inspire.

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As of 08/19/10 this page is the top google result for "Democritus's Violin", (mentioned in the article). just thought i'd mention it.