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How about Montana Max from Tiny Toon Adventures? Sure, he's a pint-sized Yosemite Sam expy, forever makes trouble, and deserves what he gets...but Danny Cooksey, the voice of Monty, asked why Max always has to be the loser and the jerk. The writers responded with a couple of Pet the Dog scripts ("Fit to be Toyed", "My Dinner With Elmyra") in which you actually kind of get to like him.
Seems more like Redeeming The Jerkass (which isn't a trope, but you get the idea).
I'm somewhat new to the lingo. Is Alex in A Clockwork Orange a Jerk-Ass Woobie? That's what some critics seem to think anyway - that the film was actually very sympathetic to Alex.
There is an issue with this page. Even though it's YMMV, it doesn't generate the red bullet for some reason. This makes it hard to weed out.
never mind, figured out the problem. secondary bullet points seem to override the red dot for some reason.
Exactly why was the Troper Tales page for this deleted? Because people will see what one has to say about a person they might feel fits this trope and they'll disagree and think they're only one side of it?
We just axed the namespace so the question is mostly irrelevant now.
I... I don't know what to think of this one. The wording is extremely biased in favor of Snape and in derision of Ron and Harry, so to me it seems that it put Harry and Ron here more to make them look bad than to give them pity. I think it needs to be re-written with less bias.
I don't know, the section on Snape could use some tweaking but it probably fits.
The Harry and Ron sections are, of course, bullshit.
Your Mileage May Vary. Every fact mentioned in the Harry and Ron entries is accurate - whether or not they make them into Jerkasses is subjective (as is this trope), but bullshit? Really?
Yes, it's bullshit. Ron and Harry are two kids who grow into their roles after huge crisis, but the example here keeps bending over ot make excuss for AN ADULT MAN who refuses to grow up from his teenage grudges for several years (an inflicts lots of pain on kid hwo have NOTHING to do with it) while dragging two teens in the process of growing up in a very painful environment through the mud. This example is standard rabid Snapefen bullshit, not too far from the vile crap that is reported to this JF comm: Snape gets excused and DILP-ed, whoever opposes him is bashed and portrayed as a monster.
Sure. Why not? Maybe we can re-write the Harry Potter and Ron Weasley sections, so that there would be less bias. But then again, do they really lack a mean side necessary to count as Jerkass Woobies?
What? Everything they said was true. If it is written in a biased way, then we can rewrite it so as to not sound as biased.
Hey, where did the subjective banner go?
How the hell is Polanski still deserving of his Woobie status? He's repeatedly tried to play up his crapsack life as an excuse for drugging, sexually assaulting, raping and sodomising a thirteen-year-old girl, pleading guilty (albeit to a lesser charge, but still one worthy of, then fleeing the country to somewhere that won't extradite him, and continuing to make movies while avoiding the law. How he was ever permitted bail is beyond me, considering that he's a demonstrated flight risk. He is not a Jerkass Woobie, he is a felon and a fugitive.
Good question. Moving the whole Real Life folder here...
This is a fandom reaction trope to a character who's a jerk but lovable anyway. Real Life doesn't have a fandom, just individuals who have varying reactions to different public figures, and some of them are bound to get offended by the inclusion of a certain figure that they don't find lovable. Calling Roman Polanski a Jerkass Woobie goes way over the Rule Of Cautious Editing Judgement line, and in general, this trope can't be objectively applied to real life. One person's real life Jerkass Woobie is someone else's plain old jerkass.
If we want to save these entries somewhere, maybe splitting the Troper Tales page into "Personal Jerkass Woobies" and "Public Jerkass Woobies" folders, and listing these under the public folder, would work. That way it's clearer that these are famous JW's for the tropers who wrote them, and that YMMV.
Yes Roman Polanski is a jerkass but thats why he's a jerkass woobie rather than a regular woobie. His victim says she feels sorry for him so . . .
So if it is not a good thing to list real people down as jerkasses, then why is it not nice to call any of the real people Jerkass Woobies? Is it too controversial or something?
Are we still looking for a picture? Might I suggest Seltyiel, the iconic Pathfinder Jerkass Woobie Eldritch Knight? (I believe images offered as downloads from the Paizo blog are up for grabs.)
Plus, he's a White-Haired Pretty Boy who seems to have been preemptively dressed in leather.
Dean Winchester a Jerkass Woobie? I'm really not sure it fits. He can be a jerk, but really. Considering he is usually putting himself in harms way. I usually want to punch him because he's an Extreme Doormat
I'm not sure what your point is here.
Uh, regarding the picture...is it really appropriate for this page, when put in context? Being stabbed through the eye and disemboweled is bound to piss a person off, if they're still alive. Going into a murderous rage as a result isn't really representative of jerkassery. Granted, Asuka is a Jerkass Woobie, but this picture doesn't fit.
Can we get something better? Maybe a comparison image?
I agree we could probably do better, but I'm not sure what you mean by "a comparison image". One thought I had was you put a pic of character A being a jerkass and then the same character being a woobie. For example:
Yes, that's what I mean by a comparison picture. One image of the character being a jerkass, one of them being a woobie.
For example: a tsundere thfwacking someone on the head followed up by a pic of her crying.
No specific character comes to mind at the moment, sadly.
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How well does it match the trope?