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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 15th 2010 at 4:25:29 PM •••

Real Life pages with no main page

We have a number of this sort of page on here. You know the ones. They have no corresponding main page because they are not relevant to this wiki's mission and because they exist in real life they can't have issues of plot holes, fridge logic, bad characterisation in season 3, wonky scientific jargon, unfortunate implications and that ilk of trouble. Mostly they seem to be people complaining about some issue they have with the world, sometimes just arguing and complaining about arguments with which they have some complaint.

I said to Fast Eddie, I should clear these off shouldn't I? He said yeah. I asked if I should just cut as I come across them and he said sure, just don't go crazy.

So let it be said, here and now, that these things are too far off the reservation. These pages are for the issues of fiction and deficiencies in their proper working, not any old bugbear about what the mean man said to you in a gun control debate.

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SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 20th 2010 at 3:45:24 PM •••

Let us also note for posterity the many things that are wrong with these pages:

  • Being of Real Life means they can not at all focus on the fictional misadventures in logic in story telling that It Just Bugs Me! is meant to be about.

  • Being of Real Life means that the discussion can end up being about pretty much anything. Cats was full of minor things about cat rearing, Guns was people bringing up gun control politics, Gun Politics was people complains about gun control politics and their arguments, the ones about nations contain complaining about the habits of that nation, theme parks was about annoying behaviour at theme parks. None of this has anything to do with TV Tropes.

  • Being of Real Life means that you are complaining about something in the world that somebody else may like or about somebody else directly. You have exchanged complaining about some niggling feeling you get from watching a show to potentially pissing people off.

  • Having no main page means that you have no element of anything from Real Life that you can point out as being relevant to the wiki. Again this leads to talking about whatever.

  • Having no main page means that there is no limit to what anyone can write. We have standards for making a main page so we are sure as hell going to have standards for subpages.

  • Having no main page means that we have no connection to the subject at hand other than complaining about it. This may act as encouragement of complaining.

Edited by SomeSortOfTroper
DoctorNemesis Since: Jan, 2001
Aug 3rd 2010 at 5:00:22 AM •••

I've no issues with the other points, but just a pedantic little niggle concerning Point #1; there seems to have been a lot of discussion on this very page indicating that It Just Bugs Me! isn't just about about 'fictional misadventures in logic in storytelling' (i.e. Fride Logic), but about things which bug the reader in general.

As I say, I've no particular objection to any of the removed items, but the pedant in me just had to niggle at this particular point.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 11th 2010 at 1:48:51 PM •••

Fridge logic is a specific type of issue but It Just Bugs Me! is all PlotHoles, AssPulls, Plot Induced Stupidity etc. and those are the fictional misadventures in logic in storytelling we are interested in.

juancarlos Faith in the self. Since: Mar, 2012
Faith in the self.
Sep 10th 2010 at 1:38:01 PM •••

hey, out of curiosity, isn't there a JBM page for Tvtropes itself?, because if there is i cannot find it

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Marioguy128 Geomancer Since: Jan, 2010
May 27th 2010 at 6:14:35 PM •••

These pages underwent a lot of Trope Decay by being filled up with complaining instead of pointing out plot holes. Some of these pages shouldn't exist since fridge logic isn't applied at all in those pages.

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Madrugada MOD Since: Jan, 2001
May 27th 2010 at 7:13:38 PM •••

Just Bugs Me is not, NOT, repeat NOT, limited to Fridge Logic.

Fridge Logic should not, repeat not have an entry on a works page, because it invariably leads to justifying edits and Natter. Anything you would put on the main works page under Fridge Logic should be put on the JBM page for the work. However, that does not mean that that's all that can be put on the JBM page.

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Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 27th 2010 at 7:31:59 PM •••

you know by cutlisting this is gonna have a bigger impact than cutlisting nightmare fuel you know?

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FlyingV Since: Apr, 2010
May 27th 2010 at 7:42:00 PM •••

I always thought the purpose of just bugs me was the complaining. It helps keep that crap off works pages the same way WMG keeps out the Epileptic Trees.

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Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 27th 2010 at 8:39:17 PM •••

Look at the Super Smash bros. page. Apparently its NOT about the complaning, and MORE about the Fridge Logic.

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RedViking Since: Jan, 2001
May 28th 2010 at 12:07:48 AM •••

Just Bugs Me is a very broad term because anything can bug someone. Like others have said, having a Just Bugs Me section keeps that stuff off the main page.

Plus, the Just Bugs Me section has become the accepted place where you're allowed to complain about something on this wiki.

BobbyG Since: Jan, 2001
May 28th 2010 at 6:27:18 AM •••

OK, look. Generally, IJBM tends to involve Fridge Logic, because that's what tends to bug people about fictional works. And since, generally, complaints that don't relate to fictional works get posted in the IJBM board in the TV Tropes Forum, that means the majority of complaints listed here are going to be Fridge Logic.

But here's the thing: it's called It Just Bugs Me! because it's about things that just bug you. If it was only about Fridge Logic it would probably be called Fridge Logic.

As for cutting this just like that... sorry, but no. I think I'd probably be lynched.

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Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 28th 2010 at 12:13:42 PM •••

I agree with Bobby G, its NOT about JUST fridge logic, its about things that bug you, thus the title, hear that Mrdeath?. Also Bobby G, you wouldn't get lynched, you're a mod, you can do whatever the hell you want to those little tropers. They can't so much as even bite you lest they risk making you block him or something.

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MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
Jun 23rd 2010 at 12:37:36 PM •••

I said it was just for Fridge Logic because that's what the page said, and that's what Admins had previously said. I was trying to enforce what I thought were the rules of the section.

I still say it's not a place to just complain about an aspect of a show you don't like.

ARandomSerf Since: Dec, 1969
May 27th 2010 at 11:23:45 PM •••

Why the change in the JBM logo? I'm not complaining, just curious.

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RedViking Since: Jan, 2001
May 28th 2010 at 12:11:06 AM •••

Probably so that the icon is more recognizable. As much as I liked the old one, a cockroach is more recognizable than the...what was old one exactly? A grasshopper face?

00Davo Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 1st 2010 at 12:30:37 AM •••

Old one was grasshopper. New one is Firebug logo. — OODavo

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TBeholder Since: Jan, 2001
Jun 6th 2010 at 7:02:39 AM •••

But it doesn't have bugged out eyes. =(

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MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
May 17th 2010 at 1:15:28 PM •••

To answer Leoganado's question on the edit reasons (since I can't edit the page itself at the moment to answer him there), on second thought, there wasn't much of a difference; I was misreading what you put.

That said, the phrasing "saying the show bugs you" refers back to the name of the page itself, so I think it should be kept that way anyway.

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Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 17th 2010 at 1:20:18 PM •••

well, saying the show bugs you actuallly doesn't mean the same thing as something INSIDE the show bugs you.

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Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 17th 2010 at 8:20:37 AM •••

Ok, can someone please tell me WTF just bugs me is? People have been saying Just bugs me has to be Fridge Logic. Is that true? I mean isn't just bugs me also for things that BUGS you? Thats what the page is is't it? Sice many people have been saying it just bugs me that... etc. So is that allowed? Since Komodin seems to think its NOT allowed and is deleting the examples that have nothing to do with fridge logic.

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SomeGuy Since: Jan, 2001
May 17th 2010 at 10:02:15 AM •••

That's a silly attitude to take. It Just Bugs Me! refers to things that bug you. Period. A lot of the time this is Fridge Logic, but not always. It can just bug me, for example, that I don't know how the Death Note would function in a highly elaborate situation, but that doesn't make it Fridge Logic because said elaborate situation never actually shows up in the work itself.

If Komodin persists in making this into an Edit War with the deleting of examples, I suggest you take it to the Wiki Talk forum because this is the definition of It Just Bugs Me! that I've always seen the site use.

See you in the discussion pages.
FalconPain Since: Feb, 2015
May 17th 2010 at 10:56:52 AM •••

Context for the above: On the Super Smash Bros page, Leoganado asked why people kept asking for more Mario characters in the game when the series already had more representatives than anything else, adding that the game has more roots in Kirby than Mario and they should be adding more Kirby characters.

Eventually it reached this point:

  • Not "absurd" at all; and I'd hardly count six characters (if you cound Wario, who's really his own series at this point) "overrunning" the game. Smash Bros. isn't a Mario subseries or a Kirby subseries. It's a Nintendo series. And Mario is Nintendo's biggest name and mascot, so naturally he's going to take center stage. So please, stop complaining that Kirby and his buddies aren't stealing enough of the show.
    • Why can't I complain? It's a Just Bugs Me page. And this has been bugging me for a long time. It is a Nintendo series, but it's more similar to Kirby than Mario.

When Leo replied with examples of lots of JBM examples that were more complaining than Fridge Logic, Komodin decided that the best thing to do was remove them. Leo then started this discussion, and cited Some Guy's reply as justification to revert. Those were the only two major edits aside from the discussion itself; no Edit War has happened, and Komodin hasn't pressed the issue past the edit.

Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 17th 2010 at 11:02:14 AM •••

Yes, but he is also removing dozens of examples in the normal pages including Super Mario Bros. and New super mario bros. wii plus its very rude and I don't think it was allowed to remove examples without discussing it first. Plus I just reverted alot of othher peoples just buggings since Komodin removed htem too

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Komodin Since: Jan, 2001
May 17th 2010 at 11:23:05 AM •••

Yes, Leoganado, I have been removing some "examples" from those pages. Because those "examples" were natter. Which are not supposed to be on the pages in the first place, because this is a wiki, not a forum.

As far as the situation's concerned, Falcon Pain pretty much hit it right on the nail. Leo noted that there were more complaining examples than Fridge Logic, I removed the complaining examples from the Super Smash Bros It Just Bugs Me! page instead of complaining about their existence, thinking that It Just Bugs Me! was supposed to about personal Fridge Logic. No "edit war" (?) was ever intended.

Edited by Komodin Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.
Leoganado Since: Apr, 2010
May 17th 2010 at 11:48:08 AM •••

Alternate Character Interpretation isn't natter at least, thats what I thought. I mean, come one, it has to be some natter, or else that trope would not work. Plus, just bugs me is allowed to have natter in it, as thats what makes up the just bugs me. Also as I said Complaining examples are allowed on the just bugs me unless they are found offending. I'll accept the fact that you didn't make an edit war, but you really should first discuss it on the discussion page before you remove, since its a hassle to revert it if it was in bad misconduct

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