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Why is it that every ending that's at least a little ambiguous gets branded a Gainax Ending? Are people really this dull?
can something have a gainax ending if it does not have a plot?
I am thinking about adding as examples two animated films that have no plot, but consist entirely of animated music videos. I think that they may count as examples because in each of them, the last song is the weirdest.
Need more cover on the spoilers.
I don't think the ending of Mahoromatic's really that enigmatic. Sugaru's very much alive at the end - badly injured but still quite alive by dint of his cyborg augmentation. Mahoro was always part of Matthew's collective consciousness, along with all the Saints and Saint-type androids - including Vesper's androids. Vesper's just a bunch of Saint splitters working an angle with humans after all, and Mahoro's Saint technology. Her identity was preserved in Matthew despite the destruction of her original body. When the Saints decide to break off and check out Far, Far Away, Matthew (feeling sentimental) pulls Mahoro's consciousness out of long-term storage, dumps it into a new body and sends her to Sugaru to take him home - presumably via the nearest hospital.
I don't think Local Hero is confusing at all. Mac has realized why Murdo Mac Pherson "never got away", and that he will never get away either.... presumably followed by "Operator, get me Ferness!")
Wolf's Rain probably is this. I'm going in to rewatch the series soon, so I'll write more then.
Yes. Yes it does. Very much so.
I'm trying to add an example (The Nostalgia Critic review of "The Garbage Pail Kids Movie"), but it's not showing up on either the page or in the history. Can someone please explain what's going on?
Chobits is actually explained in plot(in the anime, if someone is removing the part that explains what they ignored, I am removing the parts that says nothing is explained.
The way I have understood it, the ending from Castle Crashers would count here.
Is it just me, or do a lot of the examples on the main page sound more like Complaining About Endings You Don't Like? I just removed examples from Bio Shock Infinite, Indigo Prophecy, Eternal Darkness, Inception, and Mass Effect 3 because not one of those illustrates the "deliberately confusing" definition stated in the Laconic; those are all endings that either 1.) introduced a new twist moments before the ending or 2.) left some minor plot thread(s) unresolved, and I'm seeing numerous other examples that are doing that.
I've been seeing some examples on work pages that don't fit either. I think people are starting to use it to say any ending that is weird or vaguely ambiguous. Someone put it in The Killing Joke because Batman and Joker shared a laugh at the end after the latter told a joke.
I haven't seen enough to know if it's being misused enough for the Square Peg, Round Trope page, though. Personally I think the trope might need some repair in its description or name, like making a list of conditions an ending would have to fulfill in order to qualify, but I'm still relatively new to the site so maybe I'm missing something.
"A Gainax Ending is an ending that doesn't make any sense, or does make sense but is hidden under enough Mind Screw to not have an easy explanation."
"This is usually a deliberate form of Mind Screw"
Note the usually. That doesn't mean those endings don't count, because they all have enough of a Mind Screw element to fit the bill. The Laconic completely misses the point of the main definition. Furthermore, discussing things after you remove them is a bit rude, you should be discussing whether things fit the bill prior to taking action instead of hacking them off and then asking for validation.
"Discussing things after you remove them is a bit rude, you should be discussing whether things fit the bill prior to taking action instead of hacking them off and then asking for validation."
Touche. I guess my way just seemed more efficient considering how few people bother with Discussion pages, and the fact that someone is only now commenting on my error, almost a year later, all but proves my point.
Removed Dragon's Dogma, as it is not a Gainax Ending. I'll put up the old example here, along with an explanation of why it doesn't belong.
Also, I apologize in advance if this seems unduly mean. I have a tendency to be very blunt about things. Please don't take any of this as an attack on anyone - that's not how it's meant.
(Warning: Contains major plot spoilers. As such, I've elected to spoiler out the entire thing.)
One of the major elements of a Gainax Ending is that it comes completely out of nowhere. Dragon's Dogma's ending was weird, sure, but it was not "out of nowhere." Remember what happens at the very beginning of the game? The dragon attacks your hometown, you fight it, and then when it has you at its mercy it specifically chooses not to kill you, instead turning you into a badass immortal superhero called The Arisen, spouting off some philosophical stuff, and then challenging you to "fulfill your destiny?" For that matter, remember the assassins who left a note when defeated saying that you fulfilling your destiny would wreck the world? Remember when the dragon wiped out the Salvation cult and told you point blank that this is about you and your destiny, and not about itself? Yeah. At no point in the game were you ever, even a little bit, led to believe that the plot was "evil dragon, boo, go kill it."
But what about the massive plot twist where slaying the red dragon turns all the Arisens mortal again, wrecks Gran Soren, and unleashes super-monsters on the world? Okay, that was weird and unexpected, but that's hardly a Gainax Ending. At best it's just a crazy plot twist. "Gainax Ending" is not, I repeat NOT just a fancy way of saying "plot twist". It should also be noted that this Gainax Ending is actually the last 1/4 or so of the game rather than, you know, the ending.
And what about the fact that your main character kill himself after becoming The Seneschal? Simple. The Seneschal cycle is what causes so much pain and suffering in the world, thanks to all the monsters involved, selfish people gaining godlike power as Arisen, etc. Your character took the only logical choice and ended the cycle by ending himself. That seemed obvious to me, at least. Even if not, it should be noted that you don't strictly have to kill yourself. Also, it was somewhat foreshadowed as well. Remember Selene's questline?
TL;DR and/or "I don't want to be spoiled" version:
Being weird and having a plot twist does not on its own a Gainax Ending make. It has to be out of nowhere, which this ending was not. Just because you weren't paying attention to all the foreshadowing doesn't make it a Gainax Ending.
Changeof the name "Gainax Ending" to "Transcendent Ending" suggested. The ending is beyond normal audience's comprehension - beyond the usual "happy" or "sad" categories.
Venture Brothers Season 1 has a few moments foreshadowing that Hank & Dean have died before.
Uh, the one for The Day The Earth Caught Fire is only ambiguous, not Gainax...
Would the ending to the Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 anime count?
Yes or no on this trope: The ending to Final Fantasy Unlimited.
Where did the Webcomics folder go? I know it was there beacause I remember seeing the very well lampshaded [[Adventurers!]] example, but it seems to have disappeared.
Can we please tone down the whole 'No one knows what happened in the last two episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion'? It's a notable example and while it suits the trope, Tropes Are Not Good. It is not 'utterly incomprehensible' at all.
It can be comprehended.... but only by walking through a forest of Epileptic Trees for a week or two.
The last episode of Aeon Flux wasn't a Gainax Ending,
it was a Stable Time Loop.
Does the Courage the cowardly dog episode "dome of doom" count? I've only heard about it on the nightmare fuel page and have yet to know enough about it.
TRS discussion renaming discussion that retained Gainax Ending as the name.
can we change "A Gainax Ending frequently involves bizarre and nonsensical Genre Shifts, Fauxlosophic Narration, and/or Faux Symbolism, and may very well cause Ending Aversion." to "An ending that is trying to make an attempt at a Gainax Ending but falling on its face may involve bizarre and seemingly nonsensical Genre Shifts, Fauxlosophic Narration, Faux Symbolism, and may very well cause Ending Aversion."
also I think it behooves us to put in that it is difficult to say in every case with absolute certainty what endings exactly are legitimate and which are not. see
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