Discussion Main / FriendlyEnemy

Aye, switch.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

From your own links, we have

• someone who really is a friend but is also a rival
• Someone who is both friend and enemy, a relationship that is both mutually beneficial or dependent while being competitive, fraught with risk and mistrust.

Seems to be two interpretations of the term:

• person who talks like a friend, but acts like an enemy
• person who talks like an enemy, but acts like a friend

Based on the portmanteau, either one makes sense, and both are present outside of this wiki. So we can't just say "it is used this way".

I also want to note that Friendly Enemies is similar to Vitriolic Best Buds and Who Needs Enemies? I'm not sure Frenemy is doing a good job as a redirect. Do we have Quilsing?

Edited by 70.192.204.92 Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

The Urban Dictionary link makes the amount of usage most clear: the most common usage of the word is the False Friend definition (having about five times as many votes as the Friendly Enemies definition). Not to mention it's apparently in the dictionary under only the False Friend definition.

I suppose a disambig is an option, but leaving it as a redirect for the much less common definition is pretty nonsensical.

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I agree that Urban Dictionary presents strong evidence that the trope Friendly Enemy does not match the term "frenemy". But the definitions present also have a few more shades of meaning than False Friend does. For example, the False Friend is clearly going to end the friendship, or become a real friend. The UD instead tends to recommend that "you" (the hero) be the one to end the relationship, completely disregarding The Power of Friendship.

I'm not proposing a disambiguation, I'm currently interested in hearing more opinions. I have enough information to see the current situation might be considered inadequate, but not enough to see if changing the page represents an improvement.

Septimus is convinced by your arguments, but I'm uncomfortable with the prior bias displayed (initially you wanted With Friends Like These...), so I'd really prefer to see more people chime in about their opinions before deciding what I think is the right action.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

More than anything else, I want it not Friendly Enemy. Part of the problem is it really does seem like it'd fit (Frenemy sounding like a portmanteau of Friendly Enemy), but in reality its most common use is pretty much the opposite. I first thought of With Friends Like These... (mostly because of another discussion on this page) but I now see that's also not a good fit.

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Also I'm sort of perturbed by you saying I have a bias. That's... interesting.

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Oh, we all have biases. For this case, I'm biased against change. I did not mean to say anything negative about you, and I can only apologize if you felt it was offensive. Your bias is to "make [Fre Nemy] not Friendly Enemy.", which is a perfectly valid opinion. There was about a 3:2 ratio in favour of that in the att that started this.

That's why I want more opinions.

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Might want to offer it up in Image Picking.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

You Could Always Edit It Yourself.

I'm a Troper!!!

That was three years ago.

Don't make me destroy you. @ Castle Series

That could be confused with With Friends Like These....

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