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RobinZimm Since: Jan, 2001
Feb 18th 2014 at 6:21:22 AM •••

E Kono Mai has objected to the TRS thread consensus in the following edit reason, 17th Feb '14 11:33:44 PM, which was attached to a major restructuring of the page:

Holy hell, are you joking me? The category system should have kept the old grading method. A lot of these games are not in any way "simulationist" at all. The previous grading scale made much more sense than arbitrarily throwing games that looked similar into the same page. Ugh.

Given the amount of effort said troper put into resorting the page, I think it behooves those of us who supported the TRS consensus to be willing to reopen the discussion and allow E Kono Mai input over the final form, but I also believe that no one person, however passionate, should have the right to unilaterally overturn a TRS-thread decision — even one with as weak a consensus as this one had.

Edit: It must be noted, however, that no note indicating the existence of a TRS discussion was placed on the page after the redefinition; if errors were made, that was the first one.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Feb 18th 2014 at 7:40:48 AM •••

They didn't participate in the TRS, and there was no consensus that I can find to do the revert. I'd put a report in Ask The Tropers.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
ricomarbo Since: Aug, 2015
Aug 18th 2015 at 5:19:40 PM •••

Can someone explain to me why Aliance of valiant arm,a game know for having specail heroes character better at anything(even a striperific heroe having better armor than a armored soldier), A zombie mode where you need entire mags to kill anything, and a gameplay mainly based on gun and run and jumping arround to evade the ennemy aim being on the SIMULATIONIST category ?

Why is counter strike even here, with it's "hip fire 100% precision" and money system, which often make the less equiped than the terrorist, or battlefield with it's "one man pilot a tank", regenerating health, and squadmember poping out of nowhere in the middle of a fight here too ?

All those games are not even trying to be realistic, only hollywood style realist. why are they so many games on section that not even remotely enter the description of the section ?

Chabal2 Fear me Since: Jan, 2010
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May 3rd 2014 at 2:12:05 PM •••

Who or what is Fackler? The article doesn't say what the scale is named after.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
May 4th 2014 at 12:46:47 AM •••

From the archived discussion "Dr. Fackler was a military surgeon in Vietnam and has written extensively about various aspects of medical treatment of gunshot wounds".

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Danfun64 Since: Feb, 2013
Oct 30th 2013 at 7:44:47 PM •••

Where do Wolfenstein Enemy Territory and its mods come in in this list?

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RobinZimm Since: Jan, 2001
Oct 30th 2013 at 8:28:38 PM •••

In theory, the scale is being revised — look at the TRS thread.

RobinZimm Since: Jan, 2001
Oct 11th 2013 at 11:23:20 AM •••

I looked up this page today thinking about adding Receiver, a miniature indie FPS focused on the mechanics of gun operation, and I realized quickly that it would be basically impossible for me to sort the entry onto the page.

I know this is a subject for the Trope Repair Shop, and if TRS weren't full I'd be posting it as a thread there ... but would it be possible to come up with some sort of point-score system for classifying examples? Or at least some reference points to fit the examples into blocks? And if it is, would you be willing to lend a hand?

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Prfnoff Since: Jan, 2001
Feb 12th 2013 at 9:35:03 PM •••

It's strange to see "basic level design" cited as lack of realism in Doom and similar games, when more recent "realistic" First Person Shooters like Call of Duty are notorious for No Sidepaths, No Exploration, No Freedom.

Jake18 Since: Jun, 2010
Sep 13th 2012 at 5:06:35 PM •••

Why are Gun Z, Gears of War, Total Overdose, World of Tanks, and Mafia on a list dedicated to FPS games when their gameplay is third-person by default? We should either remove these examples or change the name of the article to "Fackler Scale of FPS and TPS realism" to accommodate more TPS games.

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Thomas Since: Jan, 2001
Oct 10th 2012 at 11:47:33 PM •••

If you can change the title in that way, go ahead. I created this page, and it's my fault for overlooking third-person-shooters, though I hope most understand the similarity between the two subgenres.

Snippyshelf7 Since: May, 2011
Aug 11th 2011 at 2:20:41 PM •••

Why is there a example under realistic? the example should be OVER realistic, whoever edited that could use some reading skills.[no, its not the examples under "other".] I had to remove the example under realistic, which is why its gone

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safeadsf Since: Mar, 2011
Mar 19th 2011 at 3:44:11 PM •••

I agree, the list seems out of order.

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DokEnkephalin Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 27th 2010 at 9:09:05 PM •••

This list really isn't ranked. Placement is going to be pretty subjective, but it doesn't look like most entries even made that much effort.

Subjectively, there's a fine line between a Troll and someone who lives just to piss you off.
TheNoun Since: Jan, 2001
Aug 25th 2010 at 1:13:31 PM •••

I'm sorry, I just don't understand why we even bother having the "Realistic" banner. Nothing is under there, and it's unlikely anything will ever be. The page looks kind of strange with this entire section that is totally empty.

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DokEnkephalin Since: Jan, 2001
Dec 27th 2010 at 9:07:32 PM •••

Read the last paragraph of the article; nothing is supposed to be under Realistic, that's just the opposite end of the scale from Classic.

Subjectively, there's a fine line between a Troll and someone who lives just to piss you off.
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