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Regarding Ars Magica:
The Order of Hermes is ahistorical to real Medieval Europe. Its sexual morality has nothing to do with this trope because its sexual morality is part of the fantasy aspect of the setting.
Agreed. This is pretty much in fantastic alternate history territory, which doesn't count.
Better wait until the mod verdict on the edit war before getting rid of it though.
If historical fantasy doesn't count, then I've no objection to removing it. I had thought it was relevant as one point of contention between the Order and the setting's mundane society, which more or less conforms to Medieval Europe, but if that's too broad a reading of the trope, I concede the point.
Edit: Belatedly saw Mod Madrugada's clarification on the trope below. Withdrawing the example, with apologies.
The other thing is this: Do not revert someone else's reversion when they disagree with you - you're likely to cop a ban for it. Take it to discussion.
Understood. I'd thought at first that the problem was that I hadn't specified that it was a historical fantasy setting rather than some generic sword-and-sorcery fantasy world. The irony that the pertinent information on the trope had been here on the Discussion page for years isn't lost on me — mea culpa.
The Kinsey example is rubbing me the wrong way because not only does it mention masturbation in the same breath as Pedophilia and Zoophillia, but it implies animal abuse is worse than child abuse.
Wondering if there's a contrast to this. Is Exaggerated Sexual Repression a thing?
Maybe. You ought to ask in Trope Talk (the forum).
@rimpala: I don't know what your specific example is, but Society Marches On and/or either Dated History or Politically Correct History can probably be also applicable for works which presume that Victorian/Edwardian repressed sexual mores are representative for the past in general (And that even in the Victorian times the officially sanctioned sexual policy was always completely adhered to). Alternatively, Exaggerated Sexual Repression could be an Inversion of the Eternal Sexual Freedom.
Cut these examples because the works aren't historical fiction. They're set in completely different worlds, fantasy worlds, alternate worlds, or the future. This trope '''only applies to fiction that is set in a historical time and place on this world. You can't be "historically inaccurate" if the setting isn't real-world Earth, in the past.
Elfquest is set in a Fantasy world
Not inaccurate and filled with Natter — the punishment for adultery was burning at the stake? really?
Alternate History world.
It's got anthropomorphic dog-men, for pete's sake. It's a fantasy world.'
Torchwood makes no pretense of being historically accurate...
None of these works are even trying to be historically accurate historical fiction. Harry Potter is a Fantasy World. Stargate is set in an Alternate World. Star Wars is set in some other galaxy completely, Star Trek is set both in the future 'and in an Alternate World, Hercules The Legendary Journeys is set in the Greeceof mythology.
I added the Torchwood example back. The scene happened in a historical time period. Claiming that Torchwood isn't supposed to be historically accurate is just an excuse; I don't recall any writer or producer ever saying that, and even then, that only speaks to the reason why it's historically inaccurate. It still is, so should be listed.
Seconded. It's a spinoff of a show about a time traveller who travels to meet many, many real historical events and figures. Yes, aliens are included in Doctor Who as well, but the way it's played (in stories set prior to the early 21st century, anyway) is some degree of plausability. The justification there seems to be "Torchwood sucks" (which it did, but by this episode it had started getting its act together, though Your Mileage May Vary)
Is there a citation for " Actually played straight, as it's implied that the following day the other man was killed by his squadmates, who covered for their actions by claiming he was shot down by Germans." It's the spoilered end to the Torchwood example. I don't remember that part of the episode, and I don't see it referenced in anything about the episode online.
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