Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Rename
, started by neoYTPism on Nov 21st 2010 at 5:08:23 PM
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Previous Trope Repair Shop thread: Needs Help, started by neoYTPism on May 10th 2017 at 11:41:56 PM
According to Stack Exchange, the title was invented by the original novella author and isn't a pre-existing phrase. They provide a quote from the author, so if it is an older phrase, even he isn't aware of it. Maybe on TV Tropes it's used as a short form of "the enemy of my enemy", but that's apparently not how it's used elsewhere.
Why is there a title like this? Is it a failed attempt to create a good name that accidentally became the actual title? Is it a reference to the film Enemy Mine? or was someone just drunk?
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It's explained right in the first paragraph of the description.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
It's horrendously awkward, I must say. I can't believe no one could come up with a cleaner version of it, honestly.
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It isn't explained at all. It mentions a supposedly shorter version of a Sanskrit proverb, but said shorter version isn't used at all out of this wiki, as opposed to the redirect "enemy of my enemy", which is actually used all the time.
Seriously, my avatar comes from the embodiment of the So Bad, It's Good trope.
^ That’s my thoughts exactly. Given that so many trope names – even long-established ones for commonly-used pages – have been cleaned up over the past few years because they were jargony, niche references or otherwise non-indicative, it baffles me why this weird one still remains. People were querying this on this very page in 2010, for heaven’s sake.
As morenohijazo says, it simply isn’t a phrase. Enemy Of My Enemy is an actual phrase that is in common usage to mean what this trope means, and would make a far better title. And it doesn’t include the word “mine”, so how it can be said to shorten to Enemy Mine I have no idea. You might as well have ‘shortened’ it to Enmity My, as that would make no more or less sense.
For what it’s worth – when I was first using TV Tropes, whenever I saw the term I always assumed an “enemy mine” must mean some sort of resource where fresh supplies of opponents spring from for the heroes to face: i.e. a ‘mine’ of enemies. In other words, any location (seen, unseen, implied or presumed) where it seems the hordes of Mooks, the latest Monster of the Week or each addition to an ever-growing Rogues Gallery must pop out of, in order for the protagonists to keep having things to deal with. Onscreen examples would be Orthanc or the Barad-Dûr in The Lord of the Rings spawning endless legions of Uruks, Orcs and so forth, or the Kamino cloning facilities in Attack of the Clones churning out legions of troopers for the Galactic Republic.
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Can we change the picture to something that's not depicting Muhammad? There's no need to alienate Muslim tropers this way.
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I don't think so. We can't accomodate all people's preferences.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Are you saying that it's far too much trouble to replace a single image to avoid an issue that's controversial to one of the world's largest religions?
Like I'm not asking you to change an image like "some people don't like pink so we shouldn't have a pink image" I'm saying this is kind of like an actual SACRILEGE to many Islamic people, and its something we can very easily amend. I'm not asking you to bend over backwards here.
I could understand this being part of a trope related to sacrilege, but this trope isn't on of them
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The image is about the sacrilege aspect - it's the imaging that triggers the Enemy Mine reaction.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
So?
A lot of stuff is sacrilege to some religions. Do we need to accommodate them all?
Why? Why not?
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I can't remember it well enough to add it, but there's a bit in one of the Revenge Of The Nerds movies where the jocks and the nerds get together.. the jock says "When it's us against you, fuck you, when it's us against them, fuck them." if someone with a better memory wants to add it.
I really have absolty no clue what the text under the image means. Anyone want to translate?
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...To what? It makes perfect sense to me. Perhaps you should be more specific...
So when do we get to see the playing with section for this trope? I'd like to see the justification cases listed, as well as the Up To Eleven scenario being played on.
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Could this trope apply to shipping? I've added it [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=YMMV.Ptitle61iywy45 here].
Added a little more to the caption to avoid Just A Face And A Caption (yes I know it's more than one face, but it still lacks context).
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It completely lacks context. The whole point of Just A Face And A Caption is that the images shouldn't need captions to make sense; not knowing the show, these could be the main cast.
My posts make considerably more sense read in the voice of John Ratzenberger.
Okay, someone want to explain how Start of Darkness is the Trope Namer here?
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I don't get it. How does "the enemy of my enemy" get shortened to "enemy mine"?
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I'm not sure either. There are trope titles that are longer than "Enemy Of My Enemy", which would make more sense.
This probably doesn't have anything to do with anything, but when looking at the trope title I noticed that it's almost a palindrome.
Someone has already commented on the page image, but it's just horrible. I am sure a less pointlessly controversial image can be found for this.
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