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Suicide is not an awnser
So... the Professional Wrestling folder.
There a reason why it's here? It's got the same number of examples as the "Other" page, at least.
That said, the second example... is that just a Real Life example? I can't claim any familiarity with the subject, but it seems like it.
The Philosopher is in dah house.
What exactly would it take to fit this trope?
Aren't everyone who commit suicide somewhat "driven" to it?
Is there any way to fix that problem
It depends on the link that brought you to this page. Driven to Suicide and Drivento Suicide both work, but show up differently. If you see a Drivento Suicide wick, correct the capitalisation and other people won't have the issue.
I have one question: Why is it okay for the "Ate His Gun" page to have real life examples (and a link to footage of a suicide), but not this one?
Probably because "Ate His Gun" is a trope related to a specific action, while this trope is related to causality and motivation... not to mention the dodgy human delusion of "blame".
If someone has stuck the barrel of a gun in their mouth and blown their brains out, it is pretty much a fact that they've done it... but this one is less about the suicide and more about the driving, the influences, the lead-up... presumably with torment or whatever. It is less concrete, more subjective, and more likely to incite double-plus-squabbling.
Would it be alright to add, in the "Other" folder, the quote from this page?
Since this is a controvertial topic and my perspectives on it are skewed, I won't add it to the page without discussion and/or mod approval.
Since the statement is false, I don't think it would make a very good addition.
Hotline numbers: are they appropriate for this page? I'm not even sure we need the "Real Life" section.
Well, I do think we need a real life section as—depressingly—this trope exists in the real world. As for the hotline numbers, I agree that they are misplaced. Not only are they not examples, but I question if anyone with this kind of problem would call one of these numbers just because they found them on TV Tropes. That being said, it only has to work once to be worth it. I recommend putting some kind of link in the main page, such as "For tropers in need of help, click here" or something like that. The link would send them to the page for a help line. Not only would it un-clutter the examples, but it would also put the numbers in a more visible location, increasing their potential benefit.
I agree. The numbers seem condescending, as well. As someone who has called these numbers in the past (and, depressingly, found the "comfort" given there as nothing more than Hallmark-driven, textbook Narm), I do believe the numbers would be better suited somewhere else, though I do agree on needing a "Real Life" section.
I say keep them. Maybe it's because I'm a sentimental fool, or maybe because I've been there myself, but I consider this a Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming for this entire wiki. Also, as Aristocles admits, if having the numbers here saves even one person's life (just because they don't work for one person doesn't mean they won't work for anyone)...
Keep them. I may just have been that one time they worked, and if the section worked for me, then it can work for others too. In regards to their actual usefulness, their utility is secondary to their presence. It's the thought that counts.
This has been discussed and it was decided to have a link to the phone numbers instead. There's also a warning that any attempt to edit or remove the link will not be tolerated.
So far as I'm concerned, it is grievously offensive. It takes great strength of will to self-terminate, even in the midst of grievous suffering, and I have the utmost respect for those who can go through with it. There are no reasons to prevent it that are not petty, selfish and / or jealous... and at some level I consider it my duty to defend those on the Paths of Thanatos from the sickos who would drag them through a whole lifetime of suffering under the delusion of benevolence.
But this time I will leave it be. For the sake of one petty statement that hopefully walkers of the paths will ignore, I will not risk a ban.
Thanks Soti Coto for adding nothing to the discussion whatsoever besides the fact that you think suicide is great. You're a superstar.
Soti, may I ask, what the flying fuck is wrong with you?
Guys, Soti has a point. Suicide does take a lot of strength to go through with and, sadly, things do not always get better for those who don't follow through.
That said, however, I don't think nothing should be done. I think someone who is suicidal should get help, no matter what. My personal belief is that someone who considers or attempts suicide does not truly want to die. They just want to end their pain and they can't find any other way to do it. I have been through this. I understand it. If a person honestly wants to die, then they WILL do it, no matter how much help they're given. But I don't believe anybody ever wants to die, just escape.
^^^ and ^^ ... I Cannot Self-Terminate ...
That is what is wrong with me.
Rather a more awkward case than I care to elaborate on in public, but that is the long and the short of it. I've spent time in a mental institution for trying and failing to kill myself, and it isn't an experience I care to repeat.
The only "help" you can give to someone who genuinely wants to die... is to kill them.
Society uses people as a resource. Members of society want to keep each other alive, not through genuine concern for each other as personages, but simply as things to be exploited and used. Trying to keep those who seek death alive isn't helping them, but merely helping yourself to them. It is trying to keep them alive and suffering simply to be another decorative feature for your petty ego.
And if you don't believe me, compared to all the reactionary nonsense the public does when someone tries to kill themselves... where is all that alleged concern when they're merely existing in a state of perpetual suffering? Bring on the Angst Dissonance ...
The links should be kept because it will help in the future if a troper feels like he or she is pushed to the edge. don't remove them.
I was seriously hamming it up in 2011, I guess...
Still alive, o'course. Still wish I wasn't, o'course.
Anyway, whether tropers "need help" or not is beside the point... as those links are not "help". They're just attempts to capitalise on the suggestible nature of desperate folks to push their own agenda. Exploitation marketed as "help" is revolting, irrespective of your stance on life and death.
Still trying to be the center of attention, huh
Not really 'still' when he hasn't said anything on the topic in five months.
Are you okay Soti Coto? And pimpdaddy don't be mean. You know that is the worst thing to say to anyone considering suicide.
Unless I'm mistaken, Soti Coto was banned months ago for going around all the Suicide tropes and rewriting them to practically encourage people to commit suicide and picking fights with anyone and everyone who thought that suicide was wrong.
Oh wow... encouraging suicide... I'm blatantly against that...
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