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Oct 7th 2017 at 2:04:18 PM •••

On Apples

I would like to remove the "Red Delicious" Example because of something that needs a bit more background than a simple edit summary can accommodate.

Okay. Here goes. Apples have historically never been purpose-bred. Basically, all apple trees that produce apples commercially are clones. That means they all have the same DNA (within varieties; i.e. all Golden Delicious trees have the same DNA). Apples are only rarely purposefully raised from seeds because there is no knowing what the apple that results will look and taste like and "terrible" is an all too common outcome. Jonny Appleseed did what he did to provide a source for Cider (i.e. booze) not for people to have apples.

Even today a significant portion of the world apple market is dominated by breeds that were discovered one day and then cloned and cloned and cloned. Golden Delicious is among them, but other well known varieties are, too.

So I do not think it would be accurate to describe Red Delicious as bred towards a specific goal, it was just discovered that it has certain desirable traits, but there are - as with almost all apple breeds - also undesirable traits. For a long time the desirable traits were seen to outweigh the undesirable ones. This now seems to have changed, but it does not to me have much to do with the trope.

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Apr 7th 2013 at 12:28:28 AM •••

The trope image actually is a bit of a play on words. He's missing his hands, thus a cripple; and has the swords, his specialization.

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Feb 25th 2013 at 9:56:53 AM •••

Not sure if this really requires to create a topicfor it, but I'd like to add a mention to the "Atlas Strongest Tournament" entry. Noting that this is also a Critical Research Failure as diamond contrarily to its image of being impervious to anything has low ignition and melting temperatures. Lower, at least than many most commonly used metals.

It would be good not to teach people bad physics.

Dec 16th 2011 at 2:07:59 PM •••

Just suggesting a page quote change:

"He who is skilled with a hammer thinks everything is a nail."

Is a much more general quote. May not quite fit, though - just tossing in my two cents.

Edited by pittsburghmuggle
Nov 15th 2010 at 3:13:23 PM •••

The entry for Neanderthals states that they may have died out due to being overly specialized to ice age condition, further arguments not withstanding.

I've also heard it that modern man won out because they developed trade — which, in turn, promotes individual specialization. Yes, they were bigger and (supposedly) smarter than we were, but they all focused on being Marios. Thus, they lost out because we became more specialized as individuals, but more diverse as a group — making our species The Mario and theirs the Master of None. How does that fit in to Crippling Overspecialization? Would neanderthals have been overspecialized as subsistence hunters, or something?

Edited by Altimadark
Mar 21st 2010 at 3:16:42 PM •••

On the subject of the illithids: they suck just as badly against golems as they do against the undead, right? And they have trouble with hydras and other multiple-headed monsters, don't they? This might be a more genuine case of Crippling Overspecialization than it sounds.

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