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Character Derailment is not about unpopular, drasic changes to characterization (theortricly, one could be derailed to better characterization), it's about unexplained, drasic changes to characterization. (Those given after the fact explanations can still count.) How well they're received is a seperate issue, with Shocking Swerve being the best trope for that.
The following have been deemed non-examples of Character Derailment due to the changes being explained in-story. Due not add them back without approval.
Honestly, if you are going to remove those two clear examples of this trope, you might as well strip all examples off the page. In fact, considering that this is Flame Bait, I actually think no on-page examples would be a good idea.
A mod brought up here that as Flame Bait, this trope shouldn't have any examples. So should the examples and examples pages be removed?
I noticed that my entry for Homura (from Madoka Magica) was deleted for being “arguable” and “flame bait.” Question: doesn’t that apply to this entire trope?! Or did I miss something?
It was deleted because the trope only applies to unexplained changes in character, and the whole point of the movie was to explain the change. Arguments over how well it was done is a whole other trope.
So where do I go to complain about how the “explanation” is a total Ass Pull that contradicts Homura’s prior characterization?
Why is this trope marked as Flame Bait while Character Rerailment is not?
Derailment attracts much more complaining and is much more subjective in what qualifies.
Is it possible for Character Derailment to be Truth in Television?
A sudden change of personality?
Does Angst? What Angst? count as a type of Character Derailment? It gives little to know reason why the character with the angst becomes cheerful after just a few seconds of angst.
Angst? What Angst? is about people who are incredibly tolerant of trauma and don't experience angst. It can be an example of Character Derailment if the character didn't start off this way, but not always.
If it's off Darth Wiki and now listed as an YMMV trope with examples, why is this still listed on the Flame Bait page?
Because the Flame Bait banner is unstable and has the inclination to disappear by itself.
It only counts as this trope if it happens in canon. Trope Decay is when this occurs for trope examples.
As others pointed out, why are there Fan Fic examples, then, and mention of fans using it? If you must keep it here, remove the things that contradict this statement.
Why have X-Men examples been deleted?
If this is an index, and not a trope page, why does it have examples?
I'm still confused about this whole trope. How is this not YMMV?
Because it's not even allowed IN the YMMV section.
It is now! And before anyone asks why, one person's Character Derailment can be a support of another's Alternate Character Interpretation.
World Of Warcraft fans, please make this shorter and remove some of the natter. If not, it won't be going back on the page anytime soon.
I moved it here.
Why isn't there a entry dedicated to Metal Gear Solid 4 cast wide derailment?
Too much room for abuse.
Can you come up with a reason that isn't an excuse? MGS 4 was clearly meant to be take that from Kojima to his fanbase and the over all OO Cness of the game is a big part of that.
Doesn't that seem a little odd to you?
"No hotlinked images, please."
I'm going to go out on a limb but I think the entry about Gwen is a little exaggerated.Yes,she did wrong by kissing Courtney's boyfriend and never formally apologizing to her.But it's obvious if you had watched the show she did have guilt about doing it after it happened and was even calling herself a horrible person for doing it.Heck,all her team mates san Cody hate her after this revelation.She deserved some a lot of flack but she did have guilt.Also Gwen only was going to vote Courtny out when she was intetionally losing challenges to get her out and that's why Heather sided with her because Courtney was losing on purpose.Heck,Gwen never trys to lose on purpose in any her challenges in order for Courtney to be eliminated.Yeah,she did a big one but the post makes her sound badder than what she really did.Yes what she did could be comparable to what Heather did but you are forgetting that Gwen did decide to vote Courtney off until the Australian episode.Hey,at least she wasn't a Karma Houidni like Heather was and got elimnated just two episodes after the kiss was revealed.Plus,she only kiss Duncan and didn't start a relationship with him until the Area 51 episode.I might be saying this because I like Gwen but I do admit this was way out of character for her and could be a result of lazy writing trying to the love triangle into action.
Why didn't we go with the last picture in the image source?
Note to Komodin: I give up with the Bowser thing. My last revoked edit was explaining that all the good guys suffered character derailment in the Galaxy. Not that it matters to anyone, though. I won't argue on that anymore and I'll just move on. I stopped playing the Super Mario games anyway, and now I've completely lost faith in them. But I'm done arguing my point.
So, I forgot. What's the good version of this trope?
Character Development / Character Rerailment.
The good version?
It is however, the exact opposite.
There seems to be a trend, or at least a mindset, that reads "if someone went through Character Development that I didn't like, it was actually derailment!" Case and point: how many of us would cry Character Derailment if the Lovable Coward suddenly bit back and Took a Level in Badass? By contrast, if the resident Action Girl started to really break down after a series of horrific events, and didn't make a full comeback to her old self, at least some people would cry Chickification. Tropes Are Tools, and they're just like the Force; can be used for good or for evil.
Well, the comics section mentions Maus, that is a biography. And i am remembering that, prior to this receive the No Real Life Examples label, i read an example in Real Life mentioning formally cheerful and optimistic persons turning grumpy with the age and i am sure that Used to Be a Sweet Kid used to have real life examples.
Semi-OT, but given that this is a supertrope, would I have to use caution in making a character a god of this trope in the Pantheon?
The biggest problem you might have is that it's a subjective Trope, so people will not necessarily agree the person got derailed.
It's a subjective namespace to begin with.
Please do not do things like this.
This is bad. If there are any Gundam SEED Destiny fans here, you are allowed to edit this into something that can be put on the page again. We do not need the entire history of a character, in-detail, on this page.
My apologies about the lengthy comment; I wrote it before I was aware of the existence of the discussion page and then forgot about it. That said, I still stand by most of my commentary, and in particular, what I said about Rey. He got revealed as a villain. If that counts as Character Derailment, then so do Aizen, Le Crueset, and every murder mystery villain's outings. And in Rey's case, it's a tame change too boot. Lawful Neutral revealed as Lawful Evil? As opposed to Rau who shifted from a fake Lawful Good to a revealed Chaotic Evil? Which nobody complains about?
Needless to say, Seed Destiny is so wildly disliked that people tend to overreact to everything. It's taken forever just to get the Character Sheet to well, read like a character sheet, and not a study in Hatedom.
Again, apologies about the lengthy post; won't happen again. But if anyone wants to re-add the series, please, at least re-read what I wrote (now that it's here and not breaking the page) before doing so.
Regardless of the length of the explanation it still has valid points. Athrun was willing to follow the Chairman initially because Durandal was talking about wanting peace. A scarred veteran of the first war peace sounded like a good idea to Athrun. He had no reason to doubt Durandal’s sincerity until he realized that the Chairman was trying to control him. Athrun’s solution to finding out that there were a few uncomfortable similarities between his father and Chairman Durandal was bailing. Being chased by armed men really helped to cement the fact that his suspicions were well grounded.
Shinn mainly suffers from decreased screen time. Even from the beginning Shinn was prone to angry outbursts. One of his introductory scenes involves him angrily blaming Orb for his family’s death. The degree of his anger might increase as the show progresses it was never absent. Later on the main difference comes from the loss of the humanizing moments and the balance between Shinn in rage to human Shinn changes as the show goes along.
As noted by the person above me Rey’s change is even less dramatic than Rau’s but is somehow less well received. It would appear that the audience was suckered as much as Shinn was and still believes that Rey is a nice guy and he wouldn’t do <insert act here>. Instead of admitting that they had bought Rey’s façade they insist that the character has been derailed.
Removed this from the page:
Discuss it here, and try not to add it back until there's some form of an agreement met.
Taken from the topic above.
Before I begin, if I come off irate in the course of this discussion, it is because I've already had to discuss this issue with another troper, extensively. That discussion is just a couple entries above this one, in case you'd like to take a look. That out of the way, my response to the latest reason for putting this entry back in follows below.
One, how am I the one being biased against Mai Kujaku? I'm the one pointing out how the anime's filler arc turned her out of character and saying that she is smarter and stronger than DOMA gave her credit for. Two, how exactly would Mai have been unable to contact Yuugi and the others? She knew where they lived, they had cell phones, and nothing happened in the gap between Battle City and DOMA to imply the existence of any sort of communications break down in Domino City. Hell, Arthur Hopkins had no problem reaching the gang, so what would Mai's excuse be, exactly? Three, you can't just assume facts that are not in evidence. That is begging the question. I point out that when Battle City ends, Mai shows no signs of any sort of lingering trauma, and you simply assume the existence of such to explain Mai's sudden shift in characterization in DOMA. That is not good argumentation. And as for everyone else's psychological trauma, let's go over a few examples. Yuugi, is almost killed by his best friend, and later has his soul almost utterly torn apart. Jounouchi, nearly kills his best friend, and later is burned alive, failing utterly to save Mai. Anzu, is possessed for huge chunks of the arc and has no memories of anything that happened during those times. Malik, is forced out of his own body by his Evil side and is later torn almost to shreds in the same situation that Yuugi was in. This is some pretty nasty stuff for anyone to go through, so what is it about being stuck in an hourglass that is so much more psychologically devastating than all these other events? Mind you, that's toned down from the Manga, where the hourglass was not filled with sand, but poisonous scorpions that would have eaten Mai alive, and yet she was able to recover from that just fine. Between you and me, I think Kazuki Takahashi has a stronger grasp of what his characters can handle and what their responses to various traumas would be than the anime writers.
That, would be my explanation for why the explanation proposed by the anime for Mai's sudden shift in characterization does not work.
That you only mentioned Malik's penalty game seemingly disregarded all of the other factors.
She said that she did try contacting them, which would make it more of a plot hole.
Yugi may have been nearly killed by Joey, but that's because Jou was Brainwashed and Crazy. He may have nearly had his soul torn apart during the final match, but he was able to stay strong thanks to Yami being right there with him. More importantly, Yami won, meaning that Yugi was saved from suffering any game penalty whatsoever. Jou was traumatized coming out of the brainwashing, but knowing that what he did was clearly a result of brainwashing and knowing that he and Yugi would always be right by each other's side definitely made it easier to overcome. His penalty game was horrific, but the damage was much larger on his body than it was on his mind due to the circumstances, game of physical torture and all. (His mind was still left very much intact, and is what helped save him.) As for Anzu, that her memories were hazy is exactly why she wouldn't feel nearly as traumatized. As for Malik, he was Put on a Bus up until the Millennium Arc, and I'm guessing was preoccupied with coming to terms with what he did in giving in to his temptations, which he did before his dark side broke out and took over.
As far as the anime penalty game went, while it wasn't as bad as the manga one, she was still drowning in the hourglass, all the while subject to fading memories of her friends being replaced by feelings of loneliness and despair, the very fears Yami Malik targeted and preyed on with precision. In other words, unlike Jou and Anzu, who were simply mind controlled, and Yugi, who didn't fall into the world of darkness, Mai had been Mind Raped.
Regarding this entry.
"It is inferred that she suffers relapses of the High Octane Nightmare Fuel Mind Rape Penalty Games inflicted by Yami Malik that were designed to make her feel loneliness, and ultimately, claim her life. It gets to the point where she feels that if she ever loses a duel again, she may end up in the same predicament, and may not be so fortunate to have anyone present in order to save her. Needless to say, she is vulnerable to Dartz's mind games, and becomes brainwashed."
This trope's page declares (and emphasizes), "It only counts as this trope if it happens in canon." So why are there fan fiction examples?
Good question. Worst, the page description mentions fanfics- that are not in-canon, obviously.
Fanfic examples should be on the Possession Sue pages, which is specifically for this for fanfics...
Really, "only counts if occurs in the canon" and "Fans motivated by Die for Our Ship will use Character Derailment in their fanfics to remove the character from the Official Couple which is in the way of their OTP (or just because they dislike them)." are incompatible. One of the two must be removed.
Why don't we just remove Fan Fic examples altogether!?!?!? It's the only solution! Well...that and/or change the description a little.
Went ahead and removed this aside in the Donkey Kong entry
"But now likely as a result of mistaking him for the original arcade DK (Cranky Kong above)"
Look, I know the DKC games were popular, but Nintendo is the arbitrator of what counts as canon for the franchises they own. They can't "mistake" this, especially given that they were never fully willing to back the idea themselves. Every source that says Cranky is the original DK that I've ever seen is from Rareware.
Wow, talk about exaggeration... Yami didn't want to win for the sake of winning, he wanted to win to uphold his promise to the Dark Magician Girl. Not to mention the entry ignores all the mind games Rafael used to get him to play the card. And Wangst? Really? Is losing the closest person to you due to your own fault not a justified reason for angsting?
As for Mai, yes, she was changed, but the change was explained. She developed a fear of losing as a result of the Mind Rape she suffered in the previous season, and the Big Bad used it to manipulate her. The whole "I can't rely on my friends" was a result of the manipulation, and the obsession to be the best duelist was a result of her aforementioned fear of losing. The only character that was truly derailed in the Doma arc was Dinosaur Ryuzaki/Rex Raptor.
All right, let's focus on Mai Kujaku first; ostensibly, she developed a lingering fear of losing as a result of the Penalty Game that Yami Malik inflicted upon her in Battle City...the problem with that is that EVERYONE at some point or another in Battle City experienced a deeply traumatic event; Yuugi and Jounouchi in particular suffer repeated traumas throughout the arc, culminating with Jounouchi nearly dieing after being burned alive by the flames of Ra, while Yuugi nearly has his soul torn to shreds by Yami Malik's Game of Darkness. If Mai is to suffer lingering trauma from her trials, than so should everyone else. But only Mai does, and only after the Battle City arc ends, since during the actual ending of the Battle City arc Mai was able to play a practical joke on Jounouchi where she pretended that she actually died, just to get a rise out of him. Hardly the behavior of someone suffering from deeply rooted psychological damage. Thus, Mai's "fear of losing" was fabricated expressly for the purpose of setting her up to be manipulated by Dartz, and thus it counts as Character Derailment.
Now, onto Yami. A major component of his character arc in both Duelist Kingdom and Battle City is his absolute trust in Yuugi, his belief in Yuugi's strength and conviction. This is not something to be casually tossed aside, and yet that is exactly what the DOMA arc does. Yes, Rafael does "play mind games" with Yami, but the fact of the matter is that Rafael is nobody to Yami; he's just this random dude on a motorcycle working for the bad guy. Yami has no reason to take seriously anything Rafael has to say about how "Yami was totally an evil dude in the past" or whatever it was exactly that Rafael did say, especially since Yuugi is right there to assure him that Rafael has no idea what he's talking about...which he doesn't to be honest, Yami's past as the Pharaoh was nothing if not virtuous. Besides which, while Yami may have promised "Dark Magician Girl" that he would win, he also knows damn well that unless the Seal of Orichalcos is in play, there's no real cost to losing. In short, the writers wanted to get rid of Yuugi in order to make Yami wangst, and so they ignored huge chunks of his characterization and development in order to facilitate this end. That is why this "development" is not justified, it is not organic, and thus it counts as Character Derailment.
But Mai didn't suffer(in the anime, anyway) from the same Dark Game and Penalty Game, and Mai is not Yugi and Jou either, so you can't really compare them. About her joke afterwards, it doesn't really contridict anything, these things can take time.
As for Yami, what Rafael is to Yami dosen't matter, as he attacked a weak point, Yami's lack of memories. Remember, Yami didn't want to play the card initially, he only did when he was backed into a corner. While it's true that Yami's relative ruthlessness and arrogance was addressed in his development, it's not like it came out of nowhere (even after his duel with Kaiba, he still nearly lost because he was too fixated on Pegasus). It's still part of his character, and it took very specific circumstances to get it resurface (his need to prove his lack of dark side, his feelings of obligation towards the DMG, the whole "we bet on our beliefs and sense of justice in this duel"). To me, this is just the final step in the Yami learn to trust Yugi plot, one final time that he doesn't do it and this time it really bites him in the ass. BTW, is angsting because he caused Yugi's soul to be taken really Wangst? What makes it different than Yami nearly giving up after Jou nearly died? That said, even if I disagree, I can see why others wouldn't like this development, but that doesn't change the fact that it doesn't come out of nowhere. Again, even if it is bad character development, bad character development and character derailment are not the same thing.
...They're all duelists. They all faced horrific trials and suffered greatly to get to where they were. They are comparable, plain and simple. And saying that "These things take time" is a handwave for the fact that Mai shows no sign of lingering trauma at the time, the exact sort of handwave that you said justified the claim of character derailment to begin with.
But Yami wasn't worried about his memories, at least not about them potentially revealing him to have been a bad person. To the extent that he was worried, he was worried about the fact that once he got his memories back he would have to leave Yuugi, and even then he'd already overcome that worry; again, who is Yami going to listen to, some random evil dude, or Yuugi? And it doesn't matter that Yami was driven into a corner, since losing the duel would have only been a mild inconvenience for him at worst, something which Yami knew. While there was a time in which Yami was ruthless and arrogant, the fact of the matter is that he did develop past that, plain and simple; He has nothing to prove to Rafael, who is nobody to him, his promise to DMG is plainly secondary to Yuugi and does not obligate him to act suicidally stupid, and quite frankly that whole "bet our beliefs and sense of justice" is just plain silly given that again Rafael is nobody to Yami, and thus no one that he would make such a bet with in the first place. Furthermore, the fact of the matter is that this is not and can not be the "final step" in Yami's development regarding trusting Yuugi, due to the fact that DOMA is filler. As in, it can have no meaningful impact on canon and was not part of the original author, Kazuki Takahashi's, plan. The "final step" was in the Yuugi vs. Jounouchi duel in Battle City, in which Yami trusts Yuugi absolutely and allows him to place the Millennium Puzzle around Jounouchi's neck. There's nothing left to be developed about that, there's no room for doubt regarding Yami's trust in Yuugi, and thus DOMA completely misses the point for the sake of wangst. And yes, it is wangst; it is badly written and over the top. The difference with the incident where Jounouchi nearly died, is that Yami's angst is understated, and is resolved once the Millennium Tauk shows him the vision that reminds him of his promise with Jounouchi. By contrast, Yami's constant wailing of "AIBOUUUUU!!!" in DOMA is too melodramatic to be taken seriously. Thus, wangst. Thus, DOMA was badly written and featured Character Derailment for both Yami and Mai.
So what? They're still different people, just because they're all duelists doesn't that they will all react in the same way(and again, they didn't face the same thing). Doma actually does brings up the question what happened to Mai after Battle City, and answers it. So it doesn't come out of nowhere, and therefore it's not derailment.
But they provided a good reason for him to be worried once it was brought up, one of the few memories that Yami has about the past it the vision of a destroyied city, for all he knows, he could have been the one that have done that. Rafael is not just "random evil dude", he is part of an age old organization that knows about the past, and he already proven himself to be honorable, both by his dueling and by releasing Prof. Hopkins before Yami even got there. Also, Yami wasn't a very nice guy when he was first released. So he had a good reason to be insecure about it. Doma being filler is meaningless, because we are talking about the anime, not the manga, and anime made plenty of changes to the original work. And Adaptation Decay do not count as character derailment. Again, Yami's ruthlessness and arrogance are still part of him, so they do not come out of nowhere, and it took very specific circumstances to get them to resurface. And if it didn't came out of nowhere, then it's not derailment by definition, no matter how badly written you think it is.
As for the wangst part, Yugi is closer to Yami than Jou and this time it really was Yami's fault, it's only natural that he will react worse. Other than that, the only real difference is the time that took them to get over it, as both cases required outside interference(the Tauk in Jou's case, the Yugi/Yami battle at the stone wilderness in Yugi
They don't have to be the same people and face the same exact situations in order to be comparable; they're all duelists and therefore share in significant personality traits (most notably, they are fighters who don't give in), and they all faced horrific near death scenarios. Which means that, yes, they can be compared. Insisting otherwise is just perverse at this point, since that would make it near impossible to analyze characters in any situation. And before DOMA came along, there was no question about Mai after Battle City, any more than there was any question about what happened to the Ishtars or to Seto Kaiba, or to Shizuka Kawai even. DOMA "raised" the question by projecting issues onto Mai which were not present in the original manga canon, and insisting that they didn't kick in until after she was conveniently off screen is a handwave, plain and simple. So yes, this is character derailment; a sudden shift in characterization that is not the product of organic character development.
But why would he even think that? Even at the beginning of the original manga, just after he'd been released from his 3,000 year imprisonment in the Millennium Puzzle, he didn't do anything like that; at worst, he killed people who were threatening the lives and safety of his friends, and even then he didn't do it that often. At worst, in his early days Yami was an Anti-Hero, hardly the sort of guy who'd destroy an entire city that he ruled over. And if we're going to treat the Anime as being an entirely separate continuity from the original manga, then the whole 'lingering fear that he really is totally evil' makes even less sense, since the anime significantly toned down Yami's character in the first place. And why would Rafael being part of ancient organization dedicated to destroying the world make him more likely to listen to him, as opposed to less? Again, you keep saying "specific circumstances", and I keep pointing out that by the end of Duelist Kingdom, Yami's arrogance and ruthlessness had been resolved. So yes, the "issues" that Rafael "exploited" did in fact come out of nowhere, and therefore count as character derailment; specifically, Yami's character development is ignored in order to make him act out of character and do something that he would never do other wise, simply so that he can wangst over his AIBOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! And yes, it is Wangst; it was badly written and melodramatic, which qualifies it as wangst.
Plain and simple, DOMA was badly written, and part of that was the radical alteration in Mai and Yami's characterization that was not born of any sort of organic character development, but because the writers believed that "True Art Is Angsty" and therefore decided to change them accordingly.
They may not have to be identical to compare them, but they do have to identical to expect the same result.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you misunderstood me, I didn't mean raise the question as adding a plot about what happened to Mai after Battle City, I meant it as it raises the question why does Mai acts like she does in Doma and answers it. If you disagree with the answer that's your opinion and it's fine, but that doesn't change the fact that there is an answer, so it's not an unexplained change, and therefore not derailment.
Because as far as he knows, Rafael has the knowlegde that he doesn't. That is not enough for him to believe him(which he doesn't), but it is enough to cause him to have self doubts. And how does it comes out of nowhere if it based on characteristics that Yami did show in the past and on a vision that he did saw? I keep saying there were specific circumstances because it shows that the resurfacing of those traits had a reason, if he played the seal the second he got it I would have agreed with you, but he didn't. Again, if you disagree with the reason that doesn't make it character derailment, because character derailment means that the change has no reason at all. As for the manga and anime, I'm pretty sure that the early volumes of the manga are supposed to be canon to the anime, but even if they're not, those traits were still shown in the anime. And wangst is when the angst is not justifed, in this case it is.
Basically, my point is that in order for those two to be classified as derailment, there has to be no reason for why they behaved like they did. In this case there is a reason, so whether we agree with the reason or not, we can't call it character derailment.
I can tell that this isn't going to get anywhere; by your standard, so long as there is any explanation for a change in characterization, regardless of how badly written, poorly contrived, or just plain lacking in ability to actually explain the proposed change, then it can't be character derailment. But I am hard pressed to imagine that any example on this page could meet that standard, since a literally spontaneous and unprovoked change in characterization. Besides which, for Mai and Yami's behavior in DOMA to make sense, one must ignore most, if not all of the character development they recieved throughout Duelist Kingdom and Battle City; post Battle-City Mai knows deep down that she can rely upon her friends for anything, and as such there is nothing that Dartz or any other random nut-job could say that would convince her other wise, while Yami again trusts Yuugi absolutely and as such there is nothing that Rafael or any other random evil bad guy could say to him that could over ride that trust. And again, for all that Rafael is "honorable", Yami knows that he's part of a cult that, among other things, stole the Egyptian God cards from him; he himself has played mind games in the past, he's not going to fall victim to one by someone he has no reason to trust or listen to in the first place.
In short, I'll add a YMMV, which is strictly speaking unnecessary considering that this is expressly a subjective trope and therefore YMMV by default, to my entry, but that's the only concession I will make.
Of course not every explanation is enough, the explanation has to have something to do with their past characterization and the things that happend to them. In both cases, it does. Mai was mind raped by Malik, Yami did show those traits in the past. And in both cases there was an explanation for their behavior. Mai did think she could rely on her friends before she was manipulated (almost too much in fact, "Help me, Jounouchi") and she could be manipulated because she was vulnerable at the time. And it wasn't just Rafael that caused Yami to play the card, and he didn't really trust him either, it was his words plus the vision and past events that caused him to doubt in himself, without those, Rafael's words would really be meaningless to him. But I guess we could really go on forever about this, so fair enough.
EDIT: Would it be ok if I'll change the YMMV bit to:
"The series does attempt to explain their Behavior, But YMMV if it succeeds." or something like that?
Is it just me, or has this gone on waaaaaay too long?
Gul Dukat should get more of a treatment here. In the first couple seasons of DS 9 he is quite an interesting character. Most of his dialoge drips with cynicism, and it is quite clear that he no more buys into the Cardassian party line than to any other. His moral ambiguity and implied comnplexity were really promising, and in stark contrast to the rather cardboard performances of most of the other players. In one of many, many instances where the writers of that show failed to pick up on the nuances the actors added to the performance, he was subsequently shoehorned into the ming-the-merciless (or whatever trope it should be) generic baddy role, with all of the hero taunting and evil laughs. Did he have a white cat? I can't remember...
I'm bringing this one entry from the archived discussion...
Well, judging from what I learned from other forums... well, THIS is the derailment:
And I wasn't the one who posted all that!
So... is it still not fine to say that she got hit with Character Derailment?
Should the whole conversation about EVA even be on this page? It's huge, and feels more like natter then actual entries.
Yeah, Shinji in The End of Evangelion could be considered a character derailment, especially the comatose masturbation scene and the pathetic shell the he was in Misato's last moments.
Is it just me, or do a LOT of the examples on this page (e.g. almost all of those in Film) fall under Adaptation Decay rather than this?
The Star Wars examples falls within this trope, but yeah... Everything else looks more like decay than derailment.
Deleted all Film examples for this reason.
Removed the Cyric entry for being blatantly false. Even before he ascended to godhood and became a Complete Monster, he was a ruthless, greedy and selfish thief.
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