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Apr 27th 2019 at 6:49:29 PM •••

In addition to commenting out most of the Fan Works folder, see a post in a lower discussion for why, I also commented out a reference to Jack Kirby being a Trope Codifier as a Zero Context Example.

However, unlike the Fan Work examples, I believe this one can be rehabilitated. The key is that there is a single combined example for DC and Marvel Comics utilizing this Trope. If we separated the companies out, then we can restore the Jack Kirby reference as part of the Marvel example.

Jun 12th 2012 at 3:28:15 AM •••

I think the part of Kamen Rider needs to be changed drastically. They are all part of the same franchise, so it doesn't really apply to this trope. It should only include it's crossovers with Super Sentai and the JAKQ vs Goranger movie. Furthermore, add in Gokaiger vs Gavan and Ultraman vs Kamen Rider.

Jul 2nd 2011 at 4:26:48 AM •••

Just wondering, why is it that Robotech is not on the list? Thought it would be a prime example...

Mar 7th 2011 at 1:50:29 AM •••

I'm confused. The preface talks about retroactively placing two series in the same universe, but most examples seem to define the trope as any sort of crossover (which do not necessarily mean series' are in the same continuity!) or shout-out. I think this article needs a major rehaul...

Feb 20th 2011 at 7:03:33 PM •••

Should we include a link to the Fan Fiction version of this Fusion Fic, on the main page or something?

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Apr 27th 2019 at 6:46:03 PM •••

8 Years and 2 Months late. But I have concluded that All But One of the examples in the Fan Works folder are either Fusion Fics or Patchwork Fics, with several also falling under the rubric of Fix Fics; and the one exception is a borderline one.

The Rule of Thumb that I applied is that if you (meaning the authors collectively) do not own the works being welded, are not agents of the owners, or had no hand in the creation of said works, then it is not Canon that you are welding; it is Fanon. Therefore, such works do not apply to this Trope. Rather, they apply to one (or more) of the types of Fanfic that I had mentioned above.

I\'ll run a list of which category the respective works are better expressed as later.

Edited by DonaldthePotholer
Sep 5th 2010 at 9:53:57 AM •••

Archived Discussion from The Moorcock Effect:

Freemage: As this effect is pretty clearly meant to refer to retcons, I'm not sure it's fair to include the Stephen King example—his books have long been interlinked, if only very tangentially. Several books have referenced other parts of the "King Mythos"—just as a for-instance, Tommyknockers included agents from The Shop, which was first introduced in Firestarter. This would be more an example of what might be called the Lovecraft Effect, if it is in need of a trope.

Ununnilium: But the links were retroactively increased and tied into a specific mythos.

arromdee: the reference to "both Heinleins" means Robert and his wife Virginia.
  • The Super Robot Wars games are arguably a result of this, but by a company (Banpresto) rather than their individual creators.

I'd say no. It creates a separate continuity, rather than inserting links into the original continuities.

Daibhid C: As Freemage says, the effect refers to retcons. So I'm not sure what to make of the first Flashman example, which seems to be saying that a series based on a character from Tom Brown's Schooldays is an example because it features other characters from Tom Brown's Schooldays. I don't think the Sherlock Holmes crossover is an example either; it's just a garden-variety crossover. Now, if Fraser had Flashman meet a character from a different novel by Thomas Hughes (which as far as I'm aware would have to be The Scouring of the White Horse), that might be an example of a "cross-author" Moorcock Effect.

Daibhid C: Since nobody argued with the above I pulled this:

  • In a curious cross-author example of this, George Mac Donald Fraser based his Flashman novels on a minor character in Thomas Hughes' 1857 novel Tom Brown's School Days, and characters from the Hughes book make occasional appearances in the Flashman books. This is extended even further in Flashman and the Tiger, in which Flashman meets and interacts with Sherlock Holmes and Dr. Watson.

I do like the idea of a cross-author Moorcock Effect, though; surely someone's written a book where Holmes meets Professor Challenger?

  • Alastair Reynolds did something similar with several of his early SF short stories, retrofitting them into his Revelation Space series of books and publishing the results as a collection called Galactic North.

Really? I always figured they were written to be in the same continuity from the start; except for Dilation Sleep, and that one wasn't retrofitted. A Spy in Europa introduced the Demarchists, Galactic North introduced the Conjoiners, and Great Wall of Mars linked them together, so it had to have been one universe from at least that point on. —Document N

Not sure if this is an example so posted it here. Along with their cartoons they have had two interconnecting crossover events with their live action shows. First was called "That's So Suite Life of Hannah Montana" with their three most popular shows and then recently did another one called "Wizards on Deck with Hannah Montana" adding their newer show Wizards of Waverly Place as also part of the same universe as the others. So this means the show about twins in a Hotel (and in the sequel series on a boat) is set in a world with psychics, Wizards, Werewolves. With Disney also reusing actors it means there is quite a few times where several people have the same face in this universe I.E. Alex Russo, Mykayla(Hannah Montana's Rival) and Gwen (a girl who was in a school play with Zach and Cody).
Cynthia Wakefield: Lovecraft also has a bit of a habit of tying his stories together by simply referncing passages from the Necronomicon, other forbidden books, or placing offhand comments during the expository monologues, about various Eldritch Abominations that have no bearing on the current story.
  • Cthulhu, Asonoth, and Yog Sothoth are mentioned this way all the time.
Uh, does the troper mean "Azathoth"? Googling "Asonoth" turns up pages in foreign languages, dialects, a few people with that first name ... and TV Tropes. Not another whisper about Lovecraft.
  • In the later games of the Grand Theft Auto series, certain radio shows mention Carcer City, the setting of Manhunt.
because there are references to Carcer City at least as far back as Grand Theft Auto 3 which was released prior to Manhunt. I guess that makes Manhunt a not so obvious spin-off.
mandrke: Anyone want to do a wikia on a ultimate crossover all to do with SRW and ext...? using slightly modified form of the Tommy Westphall's Mind criteria... in part due to the power of Wiki Magic

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