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Meghan Trainor's song "All About That Bass" enforces this trope while also encouraging larger people as well possibly thin people to enjoy how they look.
Has the editor who added that in actually listened to the lyrics? Seriously:
Yeah, my mama she told me don’t worry about your size
She says boys like a little more booty to hold at night
You know I won’t be no stick figure silicone Barbie doll
So if that’s what you’re into then go ahead and move along…
…Go ahead and tell them skinny bitches that
No I’m just playing I know you think you’re fat”
Did I miss the memo, how is this making thin people feel good about themselves?
I agree, that's a "gushing about something you like" issue that should be edited.
Ok, the example section for this trope needs a lot of works We have.
When adding or re-adding examples please make sure the example makes it clear that 1) the character is fat 2) is protayed as attractive (Are they a Love Interest, depicted with Fanservice Tropes, or The Beautiful Tropes).
Also make sure you're familiarized with the No Lewdness policy.
I added the examples I'm familiar with back in with context, except for Ririka Yamamoto who already had it (the fact that she's the star of a hentai game (albeit a pretty nasty one) kind of makes it a given that she's portrayed sexily).
So we just add them back in with a note about how they're presented as attractive?
I already had to move some of those examples back her. An example should always explain "how" it fits the trope. In this trope the example need need to make it clear that 1) the character is fat (How fat? full-figured? chubby? Obese?) 2) how are they portrayed as attractive (Are they a Love Interest, depicted with Fanservice Tropes, or The Beautiful Tropes).
Both of those traits need to be discussed in the example for it to have the correct context.
The Mellie example from Dollhouse bothers me. She is not fat. She's more Hollywood Pudgy and certainly not large enough for me to consider her a BBW.
Is there room in this trope for a bit of Truth in Television? If so, what I would add is something like this:
"It's interesting to note that, for most of history, large women were considered quite desirable, because of what it said about their lifestyle. The human body is programmed to adjust its size depending on the person's food intake and activity level; to get fat, eat too much and don't exercise much. The vast majority of human beings were too busy working in the fields and suffering malnutrition to get fat; the ones who were able to do so were the Idle Rich. And money is definitely attractive. Now, today, the indicators have switched, and Hollywood emphasizes toned, slim bodies... but for much the same reason: being able to exercise that much (and afford the plastic surgery) suggests a similar excess of free time and money."
I, for one, think that would go great for adding to the analysis page, since the No Real Life Examples Please rule is still in effect.
There's way to many x just x. We really to provide context for some of this examples.
Why this trope has the "No Real Life Examples Please" notification. does anybody see anything wrong about it? because i'm thinking in deleting it.
Subjectivity. The trope is about heavy set women being portrayed as attractive in media. Real life isn't media. See TRS thread
Is there is a Spear Counterpart of this? I can think of quite a few heavy-set male characters that are quite voluptuous. And not even necessarily for any kind of fat fetish (too much fat can become Gonky) — just where someone might not look quite as good without their girth. There are lots of examples in Bara Genre, and in the bear community, and in the Furry Fandom, and in various fictional characters too (Bowser comes most to mind).
Some personals sites use the term Big Handsome Man. I'm not sure whether it's tropable because fewer people seem to think they can measure male handsomeness.
There are a variety of gay-themed works pages on tvtropes where this certainly would apply.
I am really, really not sure that we need that huge paragraph on how feminism leads to fat hate. I mean, certainly that may have something to do with it, but it's really much more complicated than that (there's also the shift from large generally meaning rich to large generally meaning poor, for example), and the whole thing is presented as flat-out fact with no citations or anything to back it up. Of course, we are not Wikipedia, but that's all the more reason to stay away from the root sociological causes and just say that there are many periods in history in which fuller-figured women were the standard of beauty.
I don't want to sound like I'm 'discriminating against BB Ws', but not everything in the list for this example fits the Trope.
The BBW as a trope is about women in media being portrayed and perceived as generally attractive.
One example: Roseanne Barr's eponymous character from Roseanne doesn't fit the BBW Trope, because as the entry itself notes, she may have an active sex life, but she's not (in the least) portrayed as attractive because of her size.
Likewise Ursula might be fetish fuel for some and she certainly isn't portrayed as ugly because of her size, but the size is intended to contrast with Ariel's skinny 'Hollywood ideal' figure.
This BBW Trope (rather than the term as it is used far more loosely on the net) isn't about 'Big Women Tropers find attractive' (that's what this page's Troper Tales is for), it's about 'portrayals in media of Big Women as Beautiful'.
I agree, and I am speaking as a big woman who is far from beautiful. While no doubt many of these women, particularly any character played by Queen Latifah, are gorgeous... well, they certainly aren't all gorgeous. Ursula, early on in her introduction, lamented how unattractive she was, and I somehow doubt it was because of the tentacles or mole. And her human form was far from chubby. Muriel from Courage the Cowardly Dog is just an old, large woman - not particularly ugly, really, but she's not beautiful.
Arguably, given the inherent rarity of any plus-sized women, the trope could simply address larger women as a whole, regardless of how attractive they are. But the title is a bit misleading.
Mr Death: Yeah, I know, bad form to edit someone else's discussion topic, but piss off jackass.
Uncalled for, dude. Very much uncalled for.
Skinny doesn't equate good health. I guess you've never heard of anorexia, bulimia, or any other eating disorders. While Obesity is a problem, being underweight is also a problem. In addition, there are better ways to construe your message.
Go Troll a twilight message board, and leave that crap out of TVT.
Image looks hollywood fat, not BBW.
Her waist is almost as wide as her hips. She's Big.
I think she's bigger than hollywood pudgy but still, it immediately hit me as 'whoa what the hell, how is that even overweight'. I wouldn't call her 'fat, but beautiful' but just 'not skinny, but beautiful'. I doubt she'd even buy plus sized clothes- I'm bigger than that and I don't.
Also the picture looks kinda weird and offtopic due to that. Made me think 'wait, is this a trope about caboret dancers/weird posing/black people having to wear 'exotic' costumes cos of teh sexy'? It's great as a random pic of a sexy lady but for this topic?- just no.
Or does it mean my standards are skewed when I think of this as a normal-sized person?
Re Hairspray, you'll get major squick either way re Edna Turnblad. In John Water's film from the 80s, she was played by Divine. You know.. transvestite, Russ Meyer, Pink Flamingoes... THAT Divine.
As I understand it, she is always played by a drag queen in the stage show as well.
The description in the BBW trope seems to portray large women in a flattering light- which is fantastic, but does it have to do it at the expense of skinny women? We need to keep in mind that the media portrays everyone, even skinny women, as unattractive compared to the digitally altered goddesses we see on the screen and in magazines. This troper knows a couple of naturally thin women who lament their lack of curves, seeing it as a sign they lack femininity and, therefore, sex appeal, and knowing there are people out there who would use unflattering words like "skeletal" to describe them would only serve to aggrevate this further.
I'm fine with being body positive, but putting someone else's body down to raise yourself up makes you look like an insecure bully.
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