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Isn't this how chess works? Or poker? Or am I misreading it?
Would someone tell me what trope this would fall under, given how unpredictable most factors are, the OOC-ness involved in some of them, and other stupidity involved in others?
Basically, the author wants you to assume that the antagonists get by (at least for as long as they do, before several of their victims finally kill them) due to sheer genius, but we can tell at this point that they only kept lucking out for a whole month straight before biting the dust.
To be fair, though, they are yakuza, and it's possible that they have others carrying some things offpage; one of the onpage antagonists is even called in only partway through the fic. But even then, there are only so many members of the yakuza, compared to the rest of the Japanese population that they'd eventually have to manage had they survived for even longer, and that says nothing about each individual involved still having to do everything they can to simply save themselves from arrest, which not only detracts from their real goal (i.e. to ship some illegal weapons out somewhere via Jiro's company, the reason Satoshi wanted certain information from Miyuki in the first place (as if it even pertains to her), for which he'd also have to keep her and all her friends divided before hoping to blackmail it from her), but would only get harder and harder the more people they end up having to keep divided and drive to either suicide or hikikomori. (Makes you wonder why they don't just kill them outright, considering the sheer workload involved, the already high risk of life in prison, and the fact that dead people cannot contact authorities while anyone still alive could that either stops caring about everything at stake or has yet to even be accounted for.)
Would this count as a Social Engineering trope?
Is it possible to pull a Batman Gambit on yourself? As in, basing the plan on their own human nature. Furthermore, can it be combined with a Suicide by Cop if it invokes a particularly deadly form of their Berserk Button, to make a Thanatos Gambit?
You can definitely pull a Batman Gambit on yourself if you are able to alter your own memories. The main character of the movie Total Recall (1990) does exactly that.
If you know that you planned yourself to do that then it's simply a plan. If you don't know then it's Memory Gambit.
Would an example of this trope be a case of a Coming-Out Story, only invoked? Here's the plot:
Is not South Park: Scott Tenorman Must Die an example of this, with Cartman's laser-like calculation of the reactions of others essential to his revenge scheme?
Does anyone else think this needs a better name? These days, Batman isn't well-known in popular culture for conducting schemes like the trope describes. And at least in recent works, he doesn't seem like much of a schemer (not more so than any other hero, anyway). In my opinion, the trope should be renamed with a more generic and more descriptive word/phrase in place of "Batman". Something like "Probable Outcome Gambit", but better-sounding.
Thiss ite is for Nerds. It does annoy me that this trait is lacking from the films. I'm hoping he pulls one in TDKR.
Can't pretty much the whole plot of TDKR be considered a huge Batman Gambit? *WARNING: HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD* I mean with Batman it wouldn't be too far fetched to think that he has figured out who Miranda Tate is a loong time ago, and just used her (and Bane) as his "Exit Strategy"? This theory might be a little convoluted, so bear with me for a second: Batman makes sure that the thief hired to steal his prints is Catwoman, because he knows that she wants the software. Since he was the one who HAD the software in the first place, the idea would seem logical. Then, after Blake figures out his Identity, Bats knows he has a worthy successor, he sets up his will (mind that the will was set up with Batman EXPECTING to die soon, since he made sure his debts were covered) and puts his plan into motion. This would also explain why he made the BLATANT mistake of not inquiering more about the child (I mean really, it would take him a couple of hours talking to find out it was a girl)- he already knew about the childs true identity. Add in the reprogrammed autopilot and poof: we get a Batman Gambit par excellence
[[Spoiler: Mater]] performs a rather impressive Batman Gambit [[Spoiler: Despite his reputation for lack of wit]] to get [[Spoiler: Axelrod]] to deactivate the Bomb on his snout.
Curses! it doesn't censor Spoilers in Discussion Pages! Guide Dang It!
In the first 3 paragraphs and the Laconic page only explain that the Manipulative Bastard/ Chessmaster must manipulate for it to be Batman Gambit, making it seem that is the main difference from a Zanatos Gambit.
Cathy from East of Eden is a way earlier example than Batman.
East of Eden apparently came out in the 1950s. Batman debuted in 1939.
Would "Triple Takeover" in the "Transformers Generation 1" cartoons count? After a coup attempt by the Triple Changers Blitzwing and Astrotrain, Optimus Prime calls Megatron and Starscream "Mosquitoes" and said he wanted to speak to the REAL Leaders of the Decepticons (Blitzwing and Astrotrain). This gets Megatron so that he is intent on proving his right to be Decepticon Leader. He ends up taking on the Triple Changers, Devastator and Starscream in a battle royale with Megatron as the winner. Optimus restrains Ironhide from joining in or firing on them...and Ironhide is amazed at what happened. "I guess Prime was right. Megatron took care of the Decepticons for us."
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