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Nov 1st 2011 at 4:42:37 AM •••

I'm not so sure about this one:

  • Not So Above It All: Batman's pride is a serious issue, a large section of the problems he faces could have been avoided if he had simply gone with the flow. He stubbornly refuses help from anyone even when it would clearly help, like when Robin offers to help him find Ra's al Ghul. He refuses to take orders from anyone, the entire boss fight with Mr. Freeze could have been avoided if he had simply agreed to get Nora. Finally, he is so dead set on doing what he wants, he was willing to let Gotham burn in order to get Talia, that Alfred has to cut off access to his Satellites to get him back on track. In addition, it's pretty clear that Oracle is jealous of Talia and Catwoman.
    • He's also more aggressive in this game than he was in the first. He interrogates Freeze in a potentially lethal way, and he's more demanding that the police and bystanders explain who they are when he comes across them. Although considering he's in a prison environment where 99% of the population either wants to painfully kill or maim him on sight or wants to lure him into some kind of trap then painfully kill or maim him, Batman being instinctively suspicious of the people he encounters unless given a solid reason not to be isn't entirely unreasonable.
    • While Joker is not the most stable person to work with, Batman might have saved himself some grief if he had kept Joker in the loop on his progress for finding the cure instead of giving him the brush off. Instead he doesn't and Joker gets paranoid that Batman is double-crossing him and act accordingly.
    • The Freeze example is debatable, see Nice Job Breaking It, Hero! above. Freeze could have just given Batman the cure straight away rather than trying to hold him hostage with it until Nora was rescued, after all.

Firstly, I think Not So Stoic might be a better choice, since this trope's more about a Straight Man succumbing to wackiness rather than what seems to be discussed here. Secondly, several of these things seem to be framed as mistakes on Batman's part when they arguably aren't, really; 'going with the flow' in a place where most people want to kill you and 'taking orders' from them is a pretty good way of ending up dead, the Boss Fight with Freeze is initiated less because of pride but more because Freeze is holding a gun to his head by denying him the cure, trusting The Joker seems like a big mistake from the start and in an environment where 99% of the people around you want to kill you, being suspicious of people unless given a solid reason not to be is arguably just common sense.

The 'Talia' example, I've no problem with; that's clearly an example of Batman letting his emotions get the better of him and succumbing to the stress of his situation, leading him to make poor decisions. The example when Batman interrogates Freeze in a potentially lethal fashion is also a good one, since that arguably leads to Freeze doing the exact same thing to Batman when the tables are turned, which in turn leads to more chaos. The others, however, I have to question.

Edited by DoctorNemesis
Oct 27th 2011 at 5:01:18 PM •••

Why is Mr Freeze listed as a final exam boss? From what I remember, he shows up barely after halfway through the game, and it says on the page that they're the final boss.

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Oct 29th 2011 at 11:16:02 PM •••

I changed it to say Midterm Exam Boss, which works better.

Oct 24th 2011 at 6:43:42 PM •••

Eh, I add some note on Easter Egg about Zsasz phonecall two days ago. Could anyone tell me why it was edit out?

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Oct 28th 2011 at 3:42:40 PM •••

I did not talk about the session that you need to manually track down his signal. I'm talking about the first time that Batman received the phonecall from Zsasz. The one BEFORE you have to track down his signal.

The first time he call, you will see his name, profile along with list of phone number on the upper right of the screen. If you push up or down on d-pad,the screen will show more info about Zsasz profile or the owner of the phone number he use. Since this is one of the hidden feature shouldn't this can be consider as an Easter Egg?

Oct 29th 2011 at 7:18:59 AM •••

I had no idea that's what you meant. I didn't see the original note. Try putting it in more detail next time, and find out who did delete the note.

Aug 31st 2011 at 6:46:43 PM •••

Should the fact that Solomon Grundy appears in the game be spoilered? It's un-spoilered on the TheUnexpected page. Also, all anyone needs to do to learn that he's in the game is watch the Penguin trailer, which has a link on the top of the page. It doesn't give away anything about the story either, since all we know is that he's under the Iceberg Lounge.

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Oct 24th 2011 at 8:38:06 PM •••

It's not too spoileriffic, since a couple of mooks talk about him well before he shows up.

Oct 29th 2011 at 10:57:28 AM •••

That and he had an entire trailer to himself before the game was launched.

Jul 16th 2011 at 2:34:14 PM •••

How has everyone heard all these new plot points that I haven't?

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Aug 10th 2011 at 5:56:38 PM •••

There's a prequel comic mini-series. I assume that's where some of the plot stuff is coming from.

Dec 21st 2010 at 4:21:40 PM •••

Should there really be a spoiler tag on the Big Bad entry?

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Feb 26th 2011 at 5:55:55 PM •••

Given one, Hugo Strange *shows up in the trailers*, and two, its not at all certain he'll be the Big Bad?

Oct 26th 2011 at 10:44:06 PM •••

Especially since he isnt the big bad.

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