I think it also considers if effort is made at pathos in-universe (the Koba example would be Cry for the Devil which is still YMMV) The other way to go around this is, what are alternative tropes for when their downfall is still a clear source of pathos (basically the next best trope if it's not this)?
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Linking to a past Trope Repair Shop thread that dealt with this page: Is this really subjective?
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I noticed some examples are about "sad villain death" (which is what the trope is used to be about) rather than "hero mourns a villain's death". Shall I take that to Project: Short Term?
Why YMMV? As mentioned on the Laconic tab, this trope is qualified by portrayal rather than audience reaction.
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Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. This doesn't seem like something inherently subjective.
Anyone know what the harry potter fic is that they are referencing I would like to read it
What's going on here? I thought that this was a YMMV trope! Who changed it and why?
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Was changed by a Trope Repair Shop topic a year or so ago.
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Same trope.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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- From Power Rangers in Space, Ecliptor is killed by Zordon's energy wave, when much more evil villains Rita, Zedd, and Divatox were purified. It's the one part of the finale that is genuinely disliked.
Can someone rewrite this example, please? Despite Ecliptor's death being a definitive example(If i am remembering well, he died protecting Astronema of the wave and saying her name shortly after try wake her saying that she is as a daughter to him and fly in fury against her brother after he kill her by accident) , the fact that he was killed when Rita, Zedd and Divatox were spared is not a factor(actually, it is perfectly possible that he was considered more evil than Rita, Zedd and Divatox by the energy wave)
Real Life examples should be removed, since on No Real Life Examples Please page is explicitly written "We don't call real people villains."
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Does this trope becomes NRLEP because there is controversy on which Real Life villain is sympathetic?
I'm a little confused by the Watchmen example. Moloch wasn't executed in the comic or the movie (unless getting killed to frame Rorschach counts), and we weren't shown anything sad about it. Moloch could qualify as Alas, Poor Villain because he's shown to be a relatively normal, decent guy dying of cancer after reforming, but the way the example is worded makes me think whoever added it confused Moloch for somebody else. Does anyone else have any idea what they could be talking about?
It looks like the main bullet for Lo Z was erased and the sub-bullets (or whatever they're called) are now stuck on SRW, for some reason. Doesn't appear to have been a recent change either.
I may be starting a flame war, but I think i disagree with the "Complete Monsters are automatically exempt from sympathetic deaths" rule. It's rare, of course but if a villain is well-written enough despite being an irredeemable bastard, it can evoke pathos. Our favorite Bonobo Koba is an utter bastard, no arguing there, but it's still hard not to feel sad remembering he began as a genuinely innocent animal made into a monster through horrible abuse and trauma.
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