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Mar 20th 2019 at 6:02:25 PM •••

Concerning Percy Jackson & the Olympians, there are so many plot holes in both film (Sea of Monsters in particular), I belive they deserve their own page.

Sep 11th 2016 at 8:14:13 AM •••

  • Steel Magnolias. In the film version, Jackson and Drummond are watching over Shelby when the plug is pulled. However, the dialog is true to the play, and M'Lynn claims that they couldn't handle it and left. It's a key plot hole because M'Lynn states that men are supposed to be made of steel, but weren't.
Can someone translate this to english? What plug? Who the heck is Shelby? They couldn't handle what? And what these "men of steel" have to do with any of this? Maybe this entry makes some kind of sense to someone who knows the story, but example as it is doesn't tell anything really to someone who doesn't know the context.

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May 25th 2017 at 5:34:58 AM •••

I haven't seen the film nor the play, but the entry seems fairly clear to me. Shelby is having the plug pulled, i.e. given euthanasia. In the play, Jackson and Drummond (presumably friends or next-of-kin to Shelby) couldn't stand to watch this and left the hospital room. In the film, they stay and watch over Shelby dying, but the dialogue still claims that they left the room because they couldn't handle it.

Apr 11th 2018 at 5:29:04 AM •••

So basically "pulling the plug" is a metaphor for euthanasia? I haven't heard it, so I guess that was the reason for my confusion.

Apr 11th 2018 at 7:07:39 AM •••

"Pull the plug" is pretty common parlance for "stop treatment to allow someone to die."

Mar 26th 2016 at 11:53:30 AM •••

HP again.

  • The sequence where the Map insults Snape is a bit weird. Snape catches Harry out of his dorm at night, which is enough to get him in trouble by itself. There's no reason for Snape to force Harry to empty his pockets, and no reason to suspect the map is anything but a blank parchmentnote . After Lupin confiscates the map, Harry somehow avoids further trouble. In the book, Snape catches Harry coming back from Hogsmeade, and has him empty his pockets and tries to reveal the Map's secret to prove Harry's been in Hogsmeade; when he can't, Harry barely escapes trouble.
This example was part of mass cleaning for the reasons of: "Example Indentation In Trope Lists. Cut natter. Repair Dont Respond." end quote. I'm not sure which of three was this supposed to be, as this doesn't qualify as any, and it seems to me that it's legitimate example. Changing the sequence give Sev absolutely no reason to ask Harry to empty his pockets and Both book Snape and Movie Snape are shown to be dicks to Harry, so any Snape would just taki him 50 points give him detention and call it a day, no to mention he has no reason to suspect than piece of paper Harry hade is anything more than piece of paper.

Nov 10th 2015 at 3:21:20 AM •••

  • In the book Gilt is a corporate raider who has control of the owners but owns very little stock himself, while intentionally destroying the company so that he can skim off the top all the way down and then make a profit when it collapses and is sold off. In the show he is the full owner of the company yet is still inexplicably acting to intentionally destroy it with poor service and no line maintenance, even though that would ruin him.

I'm not sure this is right. In both book and series Gilt is very keen on the company making a profit in the short term (after all he plans to steal it!), he just isn't interested in doing it by providing a decent service (because that would cost money), preferring to just kill the competition so nobody has any choice. He intends to skim off the top all the way to the bottom before it collapses and doesn't care what happens after that.

EDIT: Removed it again. Honestly, if Gilt wants the Grand Trunk to fail why does he burn down the Post Office?

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Mar 2nd 2013 at 4:17:53 PM •••

The Game of Thrones section, as it stands now, needs to be removed in its entirety. Each point is from a narrow book-centric perspective, and ignores that each issue makes sense within the context of the show.

  • The prologue shows the White Walker throwing a decapitated head to the surviving Watchman and laughing. It's clearly indicated that the White Walker let him live.
  • Sansa does not need the Dontos option for her to refuse to go with the Hound. While his negative aspects are toned down for the show, he does still brutally slaughter several people in front of her, and is typically quite brusque. He shows up to her room as a drunken deserter, and it's clear she doesn't quite understand the situation fully. Her entire arc deals with not knowing who to trust, and erring on the side of caution.
  • Littlefinger is shown to rival Varys is obtaining useful information, so it's completely feasible that he would have known the origin of the Hound's scars.

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Apr 29th 2013 at 12:28:03 AM •••

Although the fact that Shireen Baratheon, black-haired in the books, is blonde in TV canon can count, as the whole basis of Cersei's children being bastards is the fact that all Baratheon children have black hair regardless of who the other parent was.

Apr 23rd 2015 at 5:42:11 AM •••

Hah, I don't know why that had never occurred to me, but yeah. Is that a trope? Where you create a vast, all-encompassing rule for the purpose of exactly one plot point, and then drop it and forget it immediately and never reference it again? It's like the Plot Device meets Forgotten Phlebotinum. Probably already a trope, but damned if I can think what it is.

Feb 27th 2013 at 6:41:51 PM •••

Should it be mentioned for The Wizard of Oz example that in the book Oz was real but the film changes it to All Just a Dream? So is it really a Plot Hole in Dorothy's dream where things aren't exactly supposed to make sense anyway?

Jan 24th 2013 at 12:17:32 PM •••

Some of the Harry Potter examples need to go. It's just natter whining about what was cut from the books.

  • The Burrow getting destroyed. Films are a visual medium and in a film you should never tell when you can show. The sixth book is all about how people around Harry are being affected by the Death Eaters. Because the film can't develop all these side characters, the Burrow scene gets that feeling across. Book purists can label the scene a BLAM if they want but that's its purpose. And why is it so hard for people to comprehend the fact that the Weasleys simply rebuilt their house in the space of six months? They're wizards aren't they? It looks different in the seventh film anyway
  • Umbridge breaking into the Room of Requirement. Hardly a plot hole. The door to the room still existed while they were in there so Umbridge was able to blow it open. Doesn't mean the room won't still work, "I need you to repair your damaged walls" doesn't seem like an impossible instruction to give
  • Kreacher's betrayal of Sirius. There is no Plot Hole there since Harry, Ron and Hermione get apprehended before they can contact him. It does make Voldemort a little dim for not considering them trying to contact Sirius but hey this plan was a last resort deal in the books.
  • Tonks not saving Harry in book 6. Her and Lupin are already a couple at that point. It's just a plotline that isn't included in the films.

Jan 30th 2012 at 2:26:41 PM •••

Subverted in Harry Potter: book 7 ends with Harry getting the Elder Wand, a MacGuffin which gives its legal owner the status of Fastest Gun in the West. Harry plans to live a quiet live and die of old age because Dumbledore told him to.

In the movie, Harry resolves the plot hole by snapping the Elder Wand.

I would put this on the Main Page, but I haven't seen the movie myself, I only heard the rumour from a friend who wasn't paying attention.

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Nov 24th 2011 at 4:40:20 PM •••

  • The film version of Eragon cut so much from the original novel that, short of a complete reboot, an Eldest adaptation is not possible. For example, in the movie, Brom kills the Ra'zac, who are important in subsequent novels.

Said novels were not adaptated, in other words, the changes not caused any Plot Hole in the Film series.

Jan 23rd 2011 at 7:21:46 AM •••

There's a rather large plot hole created by the anime adaptation of Fruits Basket.

(Spoilers below) Late in the manga it is revealed that Akito was a woman in disguise. This is made impossible in the anime in the last episode by Akito's kimono hanging open to show his chest.

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Sep 17th 2010 at 9:59:53 PM •••

Can someone clarify this example?

  • In a One Piece filler arc about Coby and Helmeppo, the two are shown sailing over Reverse Mountain with Garp. Later on, it is revealed that Marine ships can cross the Calm Belt with special Seastone equipment, and the newspaper photo is hand waved away as a deception for the press.

What is the plot hole involving Reverse Mountain, Marine ships, the Calm Belt, and Seastone equipment? I'm not seeing any repeated elements between the first half and the latter.

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Oct 16th 2010 at 7:14:35 AM •••

Reverse Mountain was the only known way to access the grand line and later it was revealed that people can go through the calm belt. What the original poster should have said was that later in the manga it was revealed they used the calm belt, not Reverse Mountain.

Aug 2nd 2010 at 9:01:50 PM •••

The following list of examples from The Last Airbender aren't really Plot Holes, especially since particular details are subject to be shifted around as anything is being adapted. The trope is about plot holes within the individual work itself, not when compared to details from the original material.

You're certainly free to argue Adaptation Decay in this regard, but consider this: firebenders needing a fire source does not void their ability to wage war, the movie emphasizes (more than the show did) how destructive Fire Nation technology was, made possible by fire bending. The earthbender prisoners may not have been on a metal platform but the same basic concept exists that their spirits were broken and that's why they never fought back. Jet was never that significant of a character that the story would fall apart without him, the Kyoshi Warriors are expected to be (re)introduced in the next movie and Katara can also discover her healing talent later. Aang being upset over not being able to have a family is the same basic dilemma he faced with Guru Pathik in the second season (and even addressed when Aang learned Roku did have a family)

  • Several in The Last Airbender. Most noticeably, the firebenders now need a source of fire to bend it. But considering that fire can be put out by water, earth, and air, while the other three elements can not be put out, it becomes unbelievable that the fire nation could have actually conquered any of the other three nations.
    • Also the fire nation prison is no longer set on an iron platform in the middle of the ocean. Now the firebenders keep captured earthbenders in a prison with a completely dirt floor, with not even the slightest explanation about why the earthbenders never fought back.
    • Just the fact that Jet wasn't introduced in the first movie, leaves a ton of plot that needs to be made up in the second movie.
    • And the Kyoshi Warriors - How the hell is Azula supposed to conquer Ba Sing Se?
    • Also, Aang leaves because he is told that avatars can't have a family, but if Avatar Roku didn't have a family, then Zuko and Azula couldn't have been born.
      • Actually, this works if you consider the fact that it's specifically Aang who was told this. Avatars can have families, it's just that the Air Nomad elders don't think Aang should have personal attachments like that. Sure, you can't interpret this unless you see the actual show, but it does work.
    • And Katara never learns about the healing arts because A) Jeong Jeong isn't in the movie and B) Pakku is such a nice guy that he allows her to be a student. How is she going to know how to bring Aang back to life after Azula electrocutes him?

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