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Mar 10th 2014 at 1:19:30 PM ••• I found some more sprites (for Shuckle and Hoothoot but I don't know how to add them. Can someone add them for me?

Mar 7th 2014 at 7:14:47 PM •••

There's edit wars goign on over AJ's name. Last I heard it was "AJ Downs" but people keep changing it to "Apollo Justice: Dawn of the New World."

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Mar 7th 2014 at 7:20:24 PM •••

According to Apollo Justice: Dawn of the New World is the correct name. I have no idea where the name AJ Downs comes from, but it looks like it's implying the player has Down Syndrome.

Mar 7th 2014 at 7:31:27 PM •••

Hmm. Maybe ask around on the TV Tropes forum or Reddit? Some other guys reverted it back too.

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Mar 7th 2014 at 8:08:23 PM •••

I'm the one who thought up the name Apollo Justice: Dawn of the New World for AJDNNW. Some may argue that it's a terrible name, but it's actually not that ridiculous when you compare it to other fan names like Jay Leno or Bird Jesus.

Dawn of the New World is also an extremely relevant name, because in that game you're trying to get get revenge on the protagonist of the previous game.

Mar 8th 2014 at 12:29:16 AM •••

It's too long a name. Apparently now EVERY instance of AJ on this page has been replaced with Apollo Justice: Dawn of the New World. Waayyy too cumbersome.

Mar 8th 2014 at 12:33:53 AM •••

What is the official name?

Also, "too cumbersome" is a weak argument for having a wrong name used. For one thing, it's primarily cumbersome for editors. For the other thing, acronyms like that are usually confusing.

Now, the most recent update shows AJ.

Mar 8th 2014 at 12:38:16 AM •••

I THINK it's "AJ Downey" or "AJ Downs." Would just "AJ" be a good compromise? No one can decide what "AJ" stands for exactly so they accept it as his first name.

Mar 8th 2014 at 12:43:00 AM •••

Should leave them as "AJ" because all the nicknames at least start with that, or "AJDNNW". The "Downs" thing is kind of Unfortunate Implications, and Apollo Justice etc. is ridiculously long; it'd be silly to write that whole thing out every time, even if everyone agreed on that name (they don't).

Mar 8th 2014 at 12:43:39 AM •••

What does the Let's Play use? From the latest update, it's AJ. So we should use that.

Mar 8th 2014 at 3:57:45 AM •••

OK, what I'm seeing so far is that this seems a lot like you're trying to force your opinions on everyone else, Sadib. Since you went through and changed every mention of the name and when pressed admitted that you came up with it.

Mar 8th 2014 at 7:15:52 AM •••

This Fanart settled on the name of AJ Downey, which has been one of the nicknames listed on the character page since the start.

Considering that EVERYTHING about this whole thing is Ascended Fanon, that means this fanart is more Canon than one troper's constant insistance on forcing "Apollo Justice" on the page. I have seen nothing to suggest that anyone in the Twitch feed or Reddit has suggested the same name.

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Mar 8th 2014 at 11:28:12 AM •••

Nope. Fan art is a poor indicator of anything. Look what I made:

A much better source for determining what is official would be: There's no mention of Downs or Downey over there.

Mar 8th 2014 at 11:59:27 AM •••

Character page > History:

2nd Mar '14 4:14:33 AM Wymar

Changed line(s) 3 (click to see context) from: [[folder:AJDNNW]] to: [[folder:AJDNNW ("AJ Downs")]]

So... On one hand we have a website that records the times of all edits made, proving that one nickname was already established within the first day of the game starting up, as well as fanart who's origins of creation can be traced down.

On the other hand we have an anonymously edited google doc that summarizes all the progress made, but doesn't have any time stamps or edit history to indicate when the article was last edited, let alone when nicknames were added, or even how that nickname came to be decided specifically for the player character, except for the in-game time of the last significant event to have happened.

Even if there is no origin of who came up with "AJ Downs", the fact that it has a timestamp recording when it was first added seems a bit more official than the google doc.

Personally, I think all entries of AJ should be changed to "AJDNNW" and kept that way, not for convenience sake of saying the name, but because it's officially what the character's name is in the Twitch feed when the game started.

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Mar 8th 2014 at 2:34:02 PM •••

I don't have access to the Google Doc if that's what you're wondering. They just accepted my nickname suggestion, probably because of how awesome it is.

I personally would be in favor of getting rid of ALL fan nicknames from this site.

Mar 8th 2014 at 3:42:35 PM •••

Just call the character by his name in the game "AJDNNW" and be done with it. It's easier to type than the alternative being put forward anyway.

And edit warring over a name that's basically fanon is super silly. Nobody is really "wrong" in this particular situation.

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Mar 8th 2014 at 4:09:12 PM •••

This is also precedent to get rid of all those horrible fan names like Jay Leno, Bird Jesus, and Lazor Gator.

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Mar 8th 2014 at 8:03:38 PM •••

... that's just stupid. Those are incredibly well-established names. You just seem to want to push the Apollo Justice name, whether or not it's good.

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Mar 8th 2014 at 9:01:17 PM •••

Sadib, it's great that you like your name but it does seem like you're trying to force a nickname which isn't good.

Mar 8th 2014 at 10:18:12 PM •••

I just discovered this topic on Game FAQS: People really do appreciate my nickname.

For the record I didn't create that topic, but I did post in it. My username over there is bidas100.

TPP's community was founded on forced memes that somehow got popular despite not being very funny. "Let's pretend that the Helix Fossil is a god because we keep on trying to use it. Let's also not give the same treatment to any other key item for no reason." "Let's call Pideot Bird Jesus because, like Jesus, Pideot keeps on dying and coming back to life." "Let's call JLVWNNOOOO the Ratatta Jay Leno because its name starts with JL and ends with NNOOOO." "Let's call Feraligatr Lazor Gator because he used to know leer."

Mar 8th 2014 at 10:55:28 PM •••

Going to other parts of the internet to strong-arm your preferred name isn't going to earn you any points here I'm afraid. And you basically admitted in that thread that the only reason you'd want the other nicknames removed is because you personally dislike them.

All those names you mentioned are very well established by the chat. Most of the ones you have an issue with are from the red play through as well which is already over. Hell the names in red were so well established they have even been used in fan music.Lazorgator got a lot of use too since it was started by an internet reveiwer. The chat even made polls to decide which names to use. They're established enough they don't need to be changed.

Your name on the other hand is rather recent, and from the looks of things isn't really being used by a lot of people watching the stream anyway. Most people don't really call the player character anything.

Anyway you can't force a meme. There were plenty of nicknames on the status page for red that didn't get used here either.

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Mar 9th 2014 at 12:36:47 AM •••

Well, AJ's seems to be the official name, so I'll motion to use that.

Mar 9th 2014 at 6:58:13 AM •••

You know, you're not really helping your case that you're not trying to force a nickname when your response to being told we won't use it is "Well, get rid of all the nicknames then".

Mar 9th 2014 at 7:48:18 AM •••

Agreed, lets go with AJ when not using "AJDNNW". Generally the point of a nickname is to have a shorter way to refer to something anyway.

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Mar 2nd 2014 at 4:53:16 PM •••

Yes, I know normally things like this is handled in Image Picking, but this is an internal discussion for a work page so it shouldn't be that big a deal.

I know it's a bit early, but I went ahead and threw an image up onto the work page. I felt it was rather fitting. I also found an alternate suggestion on the internet. I didn't make either of them, nor do I claim to have made them, and I don't know who they came from. I just found them on Facebook fan pages that cover TPP. What do you think?

It begins...


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Mar 2nd 2014 at 5:46:28 PM •••

Hey, I know the artist who made the image on top, and that's an edit of their work. In the art world, editing other people's work is something you really, really shouldn't do, it's really disrespectful. This ( is the original work. Could we please switch them, or pick a different one?

Mar 2nd 2014 at 6:04:44 PM •••

yeah I figured the source would pop up somewhere. Like I said, I just found it on facebook so it's certainly not my intent to steal it. I'll ask them and see if we can use the pic.

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Mar 2nd 2014 at 6:59:11 PM •••

Ok, I asked and permission was granted. I'll post up the pic as soon as I can edit the page.

Mar 2nd 2014 at 10:00:15 AM •••

Could somebody please explain the Jolyne thing?

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Mar 2nd 2014 at 10:05:04 AM •••

In the beginning of Crystal, the player's house has a girl visiting your mom, who has two hair buns. The chat then thinks that she is Jolyne from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Mar 2nd 2014 at 6:29:54 AM •••

A lot of the subpages don't have enough content to be an entire subpage. Should we merge them with the larger pages or just wait for them to grow?

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Mar 2nd 2014 at 6:49:23 AM •••

They'll grow eventually, once we actually get past Route 29.

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