Because David Penava's productions are not Anime. They are anime parodies, but they're actually Western productions.
I think that's a big reason.
Even then, they're fanworks, which aren't allowed, and their entries are far too lewd for this wiki. Advertisers could get really upset with us.
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Debatable if they count as Fan Works, as they could be called mock busters or unoffical films or something, but ok. What about Nightmare Campus and Pure Love? (I might be forgetting some) We still have them despite what you said.
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I'll bring this to the Cleanup forum.
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David Penava entry is too inappropriate, Nightmare Campus can stay.
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Does Nadia: The Motion Picture belong here? People keep saying the film was extremely incomprehensible, with poor animation and tons of stock footage, with a story that contradicts the TV series.
In fact, the film was so hated, it was excluded from being released on Blu-ray, even in Japan.
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The video link cited for Mahou Shoujo Naria Girls got privated. Should It get replaced?
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Does Kentoushi (the anime Kenny Lauderdale bought for one yen
) fit? I subbed the first episode a year or two ago, and I think it deserves to be on this page.
Although it's just starting to air, keep an eye on EX-Arm. I've a feeling we'll have a new entry on here once its finished, cause DEAR GOD.
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It's up to its fifth ep and is still the worst animation I've seen that was made by adults and not 13 year olds in Roblox- which is especially funny/cringey for a series that declared war on all of sci-fi in its PV.
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So is that Earwig and the Witch thing worth keeping an eye on, due to the growing negative reception, or does it just appear to be regular bad?
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Regular bad. It has a 34% on Rotten Tomatoes. Too high to be horrible.
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I think there needs to be a re-evaluation with some of the choices on this list and the Horrible Anime Section on TV Tropes in general!
- https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1809457
Anime that have a score of 4.00 or below on My Anime List should be the ones considered So Bad, It's Horrible, because anime that have a score of 5.00 to 7.00 are considered So Okay, It's Average since they do have their merits with lots of fans and aren't worthy of being considered horrible nor even garbage!
Like, for example, Final Fantasy Unlimited which has a So Okay, It's Average score on My Anime List but for some reason is unfairly considered horrible on here!
- https://myanimelist.net/anime/1157/Final_Fantasy__Unlimited
- https://myanimelist.net/anime/1157/Final_Fantasy__Unlimited/stats
(Forgive me for bad linkage. I am struggling with this as usual!)
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Pardon me for being late to the party, but why is Midori Shoujo Tsubaki hidden? Doesn't it qualify?
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I think because the entry focused on how distasteful it was rather than its quality.
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The worst Anime I've ever seen was "Sleeping with Hinako," 'cause it's incredible boring. It runs over 7 hours, but most of the running time, she is just sleeping. Can we add it?
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PS: If you want to follow the link to the review which I agree with, you have to remove https://tvtropes.org at the beginning and the apostrophe at the end.
PPS: There's an article in the awful movies wiki too: https://awfulmovies.m.miraheze.org/wiki/Sleeping_with_Hinako
Adding my two cents: from a quick search online, while this anime does have very low ratings among Western fans (here's another negative review from Japanator: https://www.japanator.com/japanator-does-not-recommend-sleeping-with-hinako-13573.phtml , and the Imdb rating is 3.1 as of this writing), it also has some sort of a following in Japan, to the point it's also available on app via Android (here's a positive review of the app, in Japanese: https://octoba.net/archives/20111007-android-2178.html ). User reviews on various Japanese sites that sell place it at a 3/5 at worst (Amazon Japan's user rating is 4/5 ), and Anikore, an anime rating site, gives it an user rating of 2,9 out of 5 ( https://www.anikore.jp/anime/1731/ ). It didn't leave a bad impression on the franchise either, since ten months later another episode was released, this time about the girl taking a bath (yes, really. It's three episodes in total, and the first was about seeing her doing physical training).
That said, it seems to be pretty obscure as well, since none of the three episodes have a single rating on Sakuhindb (sort of a Japanese version of Metacritic), and the number of reviews on the sites I linked above is relatively low compared to other series.
IMHO, by the standards of this Wiki it wouldn't qualify since it does have a following (and you get only one guess as to why), albeit a niche one; it would make for a great example on the Americans Hate Tingle page though, given how almost every review by Western critics or otaku rips it to shreds for lacking anything they would enjoy.
Thanks for your answer.
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You're welcome.
I just now noticed that the series was already on the Americans Hate Tingle page, for similar reasons, heh.
For future reference: The "awful movies wiki" and its affiliates were founded by a disgruntled ex-troper who wanted to circle-jerk after he got banned from this wiki for edit-warring in this section; they are VERY disreputable sources.
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Would the second Twinkle Nora Rock Me! OVA count? It's a feature with some of the worst and most jerky animation ever seen in an anime. Characters frequently shift from on model and off. Kenny Lauderdale called it "the worst anime of all time" in his review, which is a bit hyperbolic, but may still be worth looking into.
Link doesn't work. In fact there's a lot of links on the SBIH discussion pages that aren't working. And what's with all the random slashes that keep appearing?
Hate sites were always doomed to fail. The only thing that can make someone hate a franchise with total certainty is the franchise itself.
Discussion pages are bugged. No links work. If you copy/paste the link and remove the first part, you can figure out the correct link but it's a huge pain in the ass.
Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.
Someone needs to talk to an admin or something about these link and slashes problems.
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Twinkle Nora Rock Me has animation that can barely be called animation, but it's actually not that bad of an anime if you can get past that, just [[So Okay, It's Average]]. Except the music. The music's awesome.
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Would the anime adaptation of Umineko qualify?
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Between the mediocre animation, the giant contradictions and plot holes created when taking into account the truth of the series, and the fact that it's only half finished, I believe it could certainly qualify. (Sorry for the reply, but I tried editing it, but it didn't change on my screen. If it changed on yours, I apologize)
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The adaptation has many glaring flaws, but still a few redeeming qualities (the opening, the character designs, and some of the drama in the second and third arcs works). Bad, but nor horrible.
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Hi there, I was thinking of modifying the "Genma Wars" entry to give a more in-depth description of the issues with the anime, and some more context about it. It's my first time writing for one of the "main" pages, so any suggestions about how to phrase things or any other changes I should make are more than welcome.
— Genma Wars, the 2002 anime adaptation of the 1979 Shotaro Ishinomori manga Genma Taisen: Shinwa Zenya no Shou. While Ishinomori had already illustrated other manga adaptations of the Genma Taisen franchise (while in the west is only known through the mediocre 1983 movie adaptation Harmageddon, in Japan it's a long running cult series that has been going on since 1967 and counts twenty novels, two spin-off series and four manga adaptations, the most recent of which still ongoing as of 2018), created by science fiction author Kazumasa Hirai, this version was completely and exclusively written and drawn by him - and judging by the stealth and more overt Take That! that he threw at it in some of his later works, Ishinomori seemed to consider the manga a bit of an Old Shame, at least in part. Despite this the manga has fans to these days, so it wasn't surprising that an animated adaptation would be produced after his passing. However, this tv series from 2002 made all the possible mistakes it could in handling a source material like this: first of all, it tried to make it a self standing adaptation, a bad choice considering how the original manga was created to bridge the Lighter and Softer parts of the series from the '60s with the decidedly Darker and Edgier entries from the late '70s, and in doing so eliminated a lot of elements and subplots that tie this story back to the rest of the franchise (most notably, tacking on an Esoteric Happy Ending when one of the recurring elements of the series are the pessimistic downer endings) and gave the world its identity and depth, and changing the tone of the story from dealing more with Fridge Horror to having gratuitous amounts of violence and nudity (which were censored, pretty clumsily, in the English localization), alienating old time fans of the series. Despite that, not enough changes were made to account for the fact that the source material was more than 20 years old and very much a product of its time, so modern viewers found themselves thrown off by a relentlessly grim and gritty series that deals with sexual violence much differently than modern sensibilities would allow (the whole series is predicated on the demonic bad guy kidnapping and raping human women to conceive an half-breed heir, and most infamously a plot point has one of the "good" main characters rape another character to awaken her dormant powers - which was present in the source material as well, and is an infamous and controversial recurring element in the later parts of the franchise). But even people who might enjoy the series for the sexplotation and gore would find themselves unable to get into it thanks to the awful, cheap as chips animation (the first episode alone shows some examples of awful CGI that would have barely been acceptable in a series from the early 90's, let alone the early 00's. The most noticeable and wildly mocked example is the wolf that follows one of the characters, which in the original communicated telepathically while in the anime has his jaw lazily and awkwardly flap open when he starts speaking and close when he's done, without any kind explanation as to why given in-universe), and incredibly lazy art direction - in stark contrast to the manga, which at the time was one of Ishinomori's most ambitious works in the visual department. Overall, the final product fails under all possible aspects, and is more of a case study in what to avoid when making an adaptation.
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Clean it up a bit to make it less TL;DR, and I'm all for having it replace the current entry.
Thanks for the tip, I'll clean up the style and cut some stuff to make it around 250 words, though I'll leave in a few background information and details about the franchise and the source material since I feel they're needed to give an idea of how badly the anime adapted it. To keep the entry short I'll add them as notes - which I did try in my previous comment, but there seemed to be some issue with the code of this page, so I edited and put them in brackets.
By the way, since the next voice in the main page is about Gilgamesh, another bad adaptation of a work by Ishinomori, would it be better to write some sort of comment about that, or is it better if we keep the two entries separated?
Unless they are related, I think they should be kept separate. Thank you for the improved writeup on Genma Wars.
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I don't think Gilgamesh should be a concern. I deleted the entry a while back, considering the MAL average is above the 6.5 normally attributed to shows of an SBIH nature (at least, according to the JK-Meshi! entry), and the last time I checked, three of the four reviews displayed upfront on the show page were in the 9-10 range, which proves that there are people who like it for what it is, regardless of the factors described as making it SBIH.
I'd suggest keeping Animerica's summed-up complaints about the show available in the quotes section, as they're a perfect summary of how one would respond to such a work.
Thanks to everyone for all the suggestions. I updated the voice on the main page, feel free to change things you think need to be reworked and add links as needed. Here's the original entry, for future reference:
- Genma Wars, a spinoff of Harmageddon, of all things. There are two major reasons why this series from 2002 failed so very, very hard:
- The Gratuitous Rape. Now, to be fair, the series is predicated on one sexual assault: a young woman offers herself up to the Evil King to save her clan from raiders, and conceives half-breed twins. But then, one of the twins is taken to eke out a miserable existence among the Evil King's subjects. After he grows up and leaves the King's castle, he meets a woman and, after being at least somewhat friendly and decent to her, decides to assault her, too. Without so much as a "get away you bastard", she doesn't fight him off. She doesn't even seem to understand the way that she was violated, and pontificates to the effect of, "It felt like his life force was entering me..."
- The horrible, horrible animation. It is often recycled, cheap, awful, and so very digital. For example: the "good" Wild Child twin has a wolf for a guide after his mother perishes, and he can talk! The problem? The wolf's jaw literally just flaps up and down. In a better series, it may have been justified, but in this series it just adds to the seeming laziness of the production crew. His jaw literally hangs open for a few seconds at a time as he "talks", and his English VA has a hokey, Speech-Impaired Animal voice to boot.
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Would *deep breath* Ore Ga Suki Nano Wa Imouto Dakedo Imouto Ja Nai (aka My Sister My Writer, somebody please make a redirect) qualify? It's become infamous for its instantly-legendary Off-Model animation starting from the second episode and only getting worse, and unlike the similarly-hapless Marchen Madchen anime the story itself has no redeeming qualities, being typical masturbatory Otaku glorification combined with the sleaziness of the Brother–Sister Incest genre, somehow managing to be a vastly mediocre counterpart to Ore Imo and Eromanga Sensei. Should it be held off until the anime concludes (if it concludes at all, given how Marchen Madchen's final two episodes are still unreleased), or is a mediocre story not enough to qualify for this page even if combined with horrid animation?
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I think it qualifies. I was only slightly hesitant to do a writeup on it due to the fact that it was still airing.
In that case I guess it could wait until the anime concludes, although I highly doubt that the quality of the show would suddenly improve in its home stretch.
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Better remember to mention that the animators covertly begging for help in the credits.
May I suggest this obscure 80' one shot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhdx1vWCRw
http://www.theanimereview.com/reviews/blueflames.html
Apparently this series from what I heard is like School Days without any redeeming features, and since School Days is already a detestable anime whom people only like for the dark ending, that might say a lot.
In short, from what I have heard, this anime, Blue Flames, is about a young adult climbing his way up the financial ladder by screwing women and dumping them. The main character comes across as very sociopathic, the title of the series refers to his soul being that of a cold blue flame. He ends up ruining peoples lives with absolutely no consequence, other than massive rewards. Every defeat he goes through from what I've heard is minor, and he ends trumping his opponents predictably in a curb stomp manner.
Keep in mind I have not seen this series yet, though I feel I may be dreading that, seeing as this is a series that captures very little interest from me. Now I have enjoyed anime in the past that have had some strains of misogyny in them, generally products of their 80's machismo, ultra violent, hyper sexed, macabre time like Urotsukidoji, Devilman, Doomed Megalopolis, and Ninja Scroll, but I would argue that such titles had redeeming features. But Blue Flames seems like it would come across as too misogynistic, and most of all, boring for even me.
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I can't find an English dub online so I decided to watch a sub off Youtube to see how bad it is. Ryuichi is a sex addicted invincible Villain Protagonist who lacks the redeeming and/or cool aspect of villains like Light Yagami. Aside from that, the pace is pretty sluggish, the tone is misogynistic as hell (Ryuichi gets away with everything in the end and there's even a rape scene or two), a melodramatic soap opera style soundtrack, and the voice acting is lackluster. You weren't missing much.
Most reviews are along the lines of the one linked. It's very bad and should probably be added. Also Devilman is very influential (at least the manga) and the manga is considered good. Ninja Scroll is amazing (even Sage loved it) and shouldn't be compared to this or anything on this page.
I took a crack at writing an entry describing this horror. I think we could combine this with Idisagree's entry above.
- Blue Flames is deservedly obscure. It is an aggressively horrible 45-minute OVA from 1989. The story is about a stoic social climber named Ryuichi who wants to go to Tokyo University. He is a sex-addicted Invincible Villain Protagonist that uses women as stepping stones to achieve this goal, and he doesn't care if he hurts them at all. For example, the parents of one women he sleeps with ask him to break up with their daughter. He makes the breakup as harsh as possible, and she attempts suicide. There is another woman he sleeps with who objects to his sleeping around. When she confronts him about it, he rapes her into submission. Ryuichi has been compared unfavorably to Light Yagami because he lacks any of Light's cool or redeeming qualities. The anime never portrays Ryuichi's choices or actions in an unsympathetic or judgemental light. He gets away with everything in the end. As if those reasons weren't enough to be considered horrible, the anime also fails technically; it is hideous with bland designs and animation almost completely devoid of style, which is especially egregious considering that OVAs have higher budgets than TV series. The tone is misogynistic, the pace is sluggish, the voice acting is lackluster, and the soundtrack would fit in a melodramatic soap opera. At least two reviews exist, NY can be found here and here, but be warned that they don't flinch at describing how disturbing the sexual content is.
I think that's a decent entry and we should've added this anime already.
I agree, but I should maybe have toned down the rhetoric a bit in my own draft. Calling a work "black-hearted" and a moral failure probably doesn't belong, even on an SBIH subpage.
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Shouldn't the Danganronpa light novel go under the Horrible/Literature subsection?
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Yes, if there's not an anime or manga adaptation, it should go there.
If no answer is given, I'll put it back on the account of it being a mistake by that other person.
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Pretty sure someone removed it because according to them, Eiken actually has a fanbase. It's very niche, but it exists.
Should we add Gilgamesh to the list?
- Gilgamesh is an In Name Only adaptation of the Shotaro Ishinomori manga of the same name. The plot (or lack thereof) amounts to a pair of twins wandering across a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and has a glacial pacing at best bogged down further with excessive Infodumps. The environment is an dour, lifeless greyscale, the music is particularly amateurish, and the animation is extremely lazy. Throw in gratuitous incest and a poorly-written, cruel and spiteful Shoot the Shaggy Dog ending and this trainwreck is complete. Watch the guys at Animerica explode reviewing this show, declaring it the worst anime they've ever seen.
I'd say not. It has a 6.75 rating on MAL which, while far from preferable, isn't exactly SMIH-worthy. Really, all it has are a collection of points against it that are amplified by the Animerica guys' strong personal dislike for it.
Really, I'd treat it like Gokujo. Keep the entry on the quotes page, remove the entry for the show itself.
Tsukihime is bad, don't get me wrong, I agree with that. Is it so bad to qualify for So Bad Its Horrible, though? That should be reserved for crap with no redeeming qualities whatsoever IMO, and Tsukihime is just your average bad anime that has maybe a few okay episodes and pieces of music mixed in with a lot of boring non-action.
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I know Glass Reflection considers it to be crap, but I don't know about any other reviewers.
As far as I can tell, the whole "pretend it doesn't exist" thing is a 4chan meme, so I'd say no, it doesn't qualify as SBIH.
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Do Glasslip and World War Blue qualify? They both seem to have fans, and Glasslip's YMMV page says that "some viewers love the show for those exact qualities, stressing how it leads viewers to reach their own conclusion."
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Does Mechander Robo really count as this subject? It did appear in a Super Robot Wars game, so it does have some kind of audience in Japan. It was also dubbed in Italian during their super robot boom, so Italian otaku could have fond memories.
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I had proposed adding Berserk (2016) because of the widespread criticism of it's bad animation quality and directing, as well as questionable choices with music, sound, etc. I am fully aware that it has actually been pretty popular with a significant proportion of anime watchers; it seems to be a base-breaker that split fans on my part of the web about 50/50. I just think there's such a strong case for considering this a bad work of art that it ought to overcome any objections that too many people like it. Does an anime really have to be so unpopular in order to be considered horrible? Maybe I just haven't seen enough reeeeeeeeeeeeally bad anime yet to have a frame of reference. If this page is supposed to be about stuff that is much, much worse than ''Berserk (2016)" then the bottom of the barrel is much lower than I realized.
- Berserk (2016): This is one of those rare beasts—an adaptation that manages to take a gorgeously drawn, popular, and critically acclaimed manga like Berserk and turn it into one of the ugliest shows on television. A bastard combination of All-CGI Cartoon and traditional 2D, both styles are executed in a horribly incompetent manner by Studio GEMBA and Millepensee. As Super Eyepatch Wolf muses in his analysis of what went wrong, director Itagaki Shin is a veteran of the industry but previously specialized in directing silly, Rapid-Fire Comedy shows like Teekyuu, and had never worked in 3D before. Giving him and these untested studios an epic, long-running, mature seinen work like Berserk proved to be disastrous. The characters look like the worst of Uncanny Valley, the editing of the shots is a confusing mess, and drastic rewrites to the script cut out most of the Black Swordsman Arc and Lost Children Chapter, negatively impacting the development of Guts's character. There isn't just one thing wrong with this show; it's simultaneous catastrophic failure in multiple load-bearing structures. The sound effects for fighting with the Dragon Slayer, for example, are such a cacophony of pot-banging noise that it caused Memetic Mutation and turned the death of Collette in the first episode into a hilarious moment of Narm. Watch "Digi Bros Discuss: Berserk 1997 vs. Berserk 2016" for how it is utterly inferior to Berserk (1997).
You answered your own question - if an anime is extremely divisive but has a fairly significant body of fans, then it's a better fit for Base Breaker than here...the reasons cited in the edit reason in the last edit are proof of that. This page is for the absolute bottom of the barrel, those that are so bad that they can't even muster a significant fanbase in addition to being savaged by critics.
While I'll admit that the animation is unfitting and ugly, the action is at least decent and the story is good. It's more mediocre than horrible. If it has plenty of fans, then it doesn't count at all. Also compared to stuff like Blue Flames (which I've seen that the entry is very fitting), Pilot Candidate, Very Private Lesson (a really bad and kinda crazy anime that Bennett The Sage reviewed), JK-Meshi!, and Hand Shakers, Berserk 2016 is great. Trust me when I say that Anime's bottom of the barrel is much deeper than that.
I must confess, there's something mildly comforting about knowing that it could have been even worse XP
Should we add Hand Shakers? The anime has been getting massive amounts of hate from various critics, especially ANN, who is easily at their most scathing there.
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Post a writeup here and we can hash it out then put it on the page once it's tweaked.
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Does Diabolik Lovers actually belong on this list? Because, while many people dislike the anime and all the statements are true in its entry, I do think it has an audience that it appeals to. People do like the anime, for the pretty boys if nothing else.
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How come we allow Nightmare Campus, but not the things made by David?
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