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May 27th 2014 at 10:18:04 AM •••

So, I know that on the one hand, if someone is looking for fanfic involving specific characters it might be simpler to just go to the rec page for their movies, but doesn't it seem like it might be better organized in general to consolidate all of the recs onto one page, with different folders for different characters/movies/whatever, rather than checking four different pages for fanfic recs because there are so few on any given page, or because something might have been recc'd on multiple pages, or because someone is unsure of the correct page to rec something?

If, for example, someone were looking for Loki fic, they'd have four different pages to search (Thor, Thor 2, The Avengers and the MCU main page) and comparatively little actual content per page, because they're all split up. It gets even worse if you're looking for stuff involving Coulson or Tony Stark.

I'm just wondering if it wouldn't be easier to get rid of the individual movies' fanfic rec pages and group all of the existing recommendations on the MCU rec page. What does everyone else think?

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Jul 6th 2015 at 3:36:39 PM •••

So, in the end, where do the Fanfic recomendations for Avengers go?

May 17th 2014 at 9:25:25 PM •••

I'm trying to make folders on the WMG section but it's not working for some reason.

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May 17th 2014 at 11:56:44 PM •••

You are using two folder openings at the top. Just one should be there.

Feb 8th 2014 at 3:41:18 PM •••

I posted this in "Tropes E through L Discussion" and then realized that's probably not a place anyone goes, so mods can delete that one:

I feel like the bit at the end when Maria Hill asks Fury "How do you know they'll come back?" and he says "Because we will need them to" is a great example of Genre Savvy (or maybe even slightly Breaking the Fourth Wall). That has nothing to do with reality; the only reason it happens is because the writers create a situation where the heroes come back when they're needed, but nonetheless Fury is still right, as if he had some meta-understanding. So I definitely think that qualifies as Genre Savvy, I just don't know how to put it in language that will not get my edit erased (clearly, I'm very new to this).

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Feb 8th 2014 at 4:10:13 PM •••

Well, it's not Genre Savvy because he's not acting on knowing Comic Book tropes, he's acting on the fact he knows them personally and knows what they'll do.

Now, it is an example of Omniscient Morality License because if he's wrong, then some of the things he's done (pushing for Phase 1 over Phase 2, stopping the nukes) would've been... well, bad.

Feb 8th 2014 at 5:33:31 PM •••

If I may be slightly pedantic, he's not in a comic book (which is a medium, not a genre), so he doesn't really need to know comic book tropes. But isn't it a common trope of upbeat action movies that the heroes show up exactly when they're needed? Even the heroes themselves might not be able to tell exactly when "we will need them to," only the writers can know that, and that's why it's more than just him knowing them personally, because essentially, he's expecting them to act on knowledge that there's no reason to assume they'll have. Granted, if the Avengers hadn't been around when Loki opened up the portal and brought in all the alien monsters, they certainly would've figured out to come a'running soon after, but as it happened, they were there before that, because we needed them to be. Well, mainly because Fury brought them together, but still not out of any of their own knowledge. Just imagine how different things would've been if Banner had stayed in Calcutta.

Also, not to be argumentative, but it doesn't seem like Omniscient Morality License applies to Fury, because that page specifies that no matter what the character does, he's still seen as the good guy. I think the movie made it very clear that The Avengers didn't exactly think of him that way by the end of it (like when Cap says "He has just as much blood on his hands as Loki does," that's a pretty strong statement for a supposed good guy).

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Feb 8th 2014 at 8:06:12 PM •••

Genre Savvy means that they can make guesses as to what's going to happen because they're familiar with works that cover what they're going through. Absolutely nothing about Fury indicates he's familiar with fiction related to what he's going through, so Genre Savvy obviously doesn't apply.

Feb 8th 2014 at 9:41:41 PM •••

I guess maybe the other examples from this movie aren't very good, then? Because the combined examples involve Cap, Banner, Black Widow, Coulson, etc. making such predictions, and there's no indication that they're any more familiar with those works than Fury.

But in terms of that particular comment by Fury, the genre they're in is simply "upbeat action movie," not specifically superheroes or comicbooks, so the only way Fury's not familiar with that genre is if he's basically never been to the theater in his whole life. I don't see anything "obvious" about that assumption, nor do I see any indication (especially in the examples given for this movie) that Genre Savvy only applies when the character is savvy about the whole broad spectrum of the genre, and not just the single element they're commenting on at the time.

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Nov 7th 2013 at 4:47:54 AM •••

Is there a trope for swinging a staff weapon behind your head and firing from there? Both Loki and Black Widow did it, and I think it's actually pretty common in stories with staves that shoot

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May 4th 2015 at 8:45:00 PM •••

Huh. There should be a trope for that...

May 5th 2015 at 7:34:18 AM •••

There doesn't need to be a trope for every idiosyncratic way that someone might hold a weapon.

Jan 16th 2013 at 11:21:47 PM •••

Odd thought; Both Stark and Loki are really impressed by the suit assembly rig on the roof of Stark Tower; Stark struts down it like a model on the catwalk, and Loki essentially does the same when going to meet the Chitauri. Thing is; Joss Whedon hates the damned thing, and only shows it in detail once - his nickname for it is "The Car Wash."

Oct 8th 2012 at 12:21:42 PM •••

Would Foreign Cuss Word be a trope appearing in this, when I watched it the word 'quim' caused a lot of unrest. It's explained somewhere that here, in Britain, that word has a lot more notoriety and is quite a length more foul.

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Nov 5th 2012 at 6:16:11 AM •••

Not so much that it's more foul, it's just more recognized.

Sep 17th 2013 at 4:47:10 PM •••

I'd say Precision F-Strike fits it; it reveals just how contemptuous and cruel Loki is underneath that sly exterior, yet it's archaic enough to be... (ahem) Shakespeare in the Park. Non-colloquial English isn't quite what Foreign Cuss Word is for.

Sep 14th 2012 at 12:49:15 AM •••

Wicked Cultured

Can someone point out exactly where Loki's theme from Wagner plays during the Stuttgart scenes? The music from his entrance is from Schubert's Rosamunde, and is listed as such in the credits.

So far, all I've got are Rosamunde and Shoot to Thrill as the music from that sequence, which is pretty cool just like that.

Anyone have a definitive answer on the Wagner? People will probably just keep adding it if it gets removed, though.

Jul 11th 2012 at 7:11:46 PM •••


  • Traveling at the Speed of Plot: After Loki is spotted in Stuttgart, Cap gets to him, from the Helicarrier, which is somewhere off the US's eastern seaboard, in about two minutes. Quinjets may be fast, but no aircraft is that fast (flight record for a military jet is slightly under 1hr 55 mins). Iron Man managed to fly from Malibu to Gulmyra in minutes though, so he can be excused for being a bit late.
    • Though the music playing during Loki's entrance is his own motif from Das Rheingold. Given that opera usually takes two-and-a-half hours to get through, the time gap might have been a bit longer than a couple of minutes.

The comment seems to suggest that the opera times their arrival later than a few minutes. Can anyone confirm this? If not, you can put this back without the comment.

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Jul 12th 2012 at 11:45:29 PM •••

I can add that much later the Quinjet Cap, Nat, and Clint takes a much longer time to get to New York than a malfunctioning Iron Man suit did. That seems to ties in with with Traveling At The Speed Of The Plot.

Jul 15th 2012 at 7:45:58 AM •••

When I watched it, I seem to recall that - on the helicarrier - they first saw a shot of Loki hanging around outside the opera house. That implies the event hasn't yet started. It's lampshaded that he wants to be seen by SHIELD. In which case, he'd have to show his face hours beforehand, so they had time to get over to Germany.

Then we have a cut to the attack on the opera house. During that attack, the music is playing, implying we're now in the middle of the party/performance. It's only after the attack has succeeded that the Quinjet arrives - to see Loki very obviously grandstanding outside the opera house. Again, that implies the whole timing is planned (by Loki) to have SHIELD arrive shortly after Hawkeye and co have escaped with the phlebotinum.

I admit it's possible they've just started - but when watching in the cinema I took the whole scene to include a time jump cut from 'before performance' to 'middle of performance'. I certainly didn't think they'd travelled there at speed-of-plot; though since many people do, the editing probably didn't emphasise the elapsed time enough.

I originally took it that they were playing Loki's motif from the Wagnerian opera - which goes on for hours. If they're playing Schubert, it could still go on for hours; he did more than one String Quartet. If they're playing a selection from the classics, a classical concert would normally last two hours to two and a half hours. A quartet hired for a special party could be playing all evening.

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Jul 6th 2012 at 3:08:38 PM •••

Should Loki's descent into insanity really be considered character development?

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Sep 29th 2012 at 2:10:47 PM •••

Maybe. I don't think there was anything directly stated, but I've always thought that Loki was found and basically brainwashed by Thanos using the scepter, hence why Loki was super-crazy-psycho in The Avengers but more just a Well-Intentioned Extremist in Thor. It may be explained in the Thor sequel, but we'll have to see.

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Jun 23rd 2012 at 4:02:06 PM •••

In several places the music that plays in Stuttgart is claimed to be from Wagner's der Ring des Nibelungen. After listening to the complete opera I can say that this music is definitely not part of it.

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Jun 22nd 2012 at 11:28:47 AM •••

Can I make this as Better Sequel (or whatever the trope name is, I'm too lazy to check)? It basically is a giant sequel to all of the Avengers movies (Thor, Captain America, Iron Man) and if it is put in the YMMV pages, do you think it would work?

Jun 2nd 2012 at 1:08:07 PM •••

Am I the only person who thinks that in a movie full of super-heroic antics that the "Old German guy" standing up to Loki was a CMOA?

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Sep 29th 2012 at 2:12:28 PM •••

I thought so, too, but I haven't actually discussed this with other people.

Jan 26th 2013 at 8:21:35 PM •••

I agree. Especially because the "Old German guy" basically spells out that he saw Hitler, and feels Loki is no different.

Sep 13th 2013 at 3:55:08 PM •••

I'm told that the OGG is canonically a Holocaust survivor, and that's a powerful image; but it would have as powerful in a different way if he had once been one of Germany's thousands of drafted boy-soldiers who once had to serve under Hitler and had spent the last seventy years regretting it.

May 30th 2012 at 2:34:56 AM •••

Should Hawkeye getting mind-controlled be marked as a spoiler? It's not exactly something that would be obvious going in, but it still happens within the first five minutes of the movie.

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Jun 2nd 2012 at 1:06:52 PM •••

if it's not obvious goign in someonewill consider ti a spoiler.

Jun 22nd 2012 at 11:30:38 AM •••

Well, Loki as the villain wasn't obvious to ME going in. I checked the trailer. The movie was AWESOME but pretty much all I could tell from the trailer was that the villain, whoever he was, really, really HATED cars because there they were, being destroyed all over the place. So going by that logic the main villain would be a spoiler.

Of course, if I had any social life I would probably know that, but I don't.

May 23rd 2012 at 9:25:06 PM •••

Okay, Do We Have This One: Kinetic Analysis Corp., a company that does real damage assessment for disasters, had this to say about the Chitauri attack on NYC; $160 BILLION DOLLARS OF DAMAGE.

I hope getting this on the page won't require shoehorning.

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May 24th 2012 at 8:29:47 AM •••

I don't think just the level of damage is tropeable.

May 24th 2012 at 12:52:20 PM •••

I was referring to a real organization jokingly performing its service in regard to a fictional event. Like the Supreme Court declaring the X-Men not human(in reference to action figures and the pricing thereof, actually), or the armed forces planning for an alien invasion.

May 17th 2012 at 12:50:14 PM •••

Banner as the Smart Guy doesn't wash. Banner gets one smart guy moment.

Stark masters a new field of science overnight, figures out Fury was up to something and hacked SHIELD computers to find out what, repaired the hellicarrier, immediately thinking to kill one of the dragons from the inside when it proves invulnerable from the outside, and of course the portal thing.

Stark is clearly the movie's Smart Guy.

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May 17th 2012 at 2:45:58 PM •••

There's not necessarily a monopoly, and Banner stays out of the action a little longer, as befitting someone's whose contribution is intelligence over brawn. Stark has a bit more to do than just being smart, while Banner spends most of the movie researching. And he has more than one "smart guy" moment.

May 17th 2012 at 10:30:54 PM •••

Exactly. Banner was brought in for his scientific knowledge. For most of the movie, everyone was taking great pains to make sure the Hulk didn't pop up. It really isn't until the end that Hulk "joins" the team.

Sep 29th 2012 at 2:18:16 PM •••

Well, they're both The Smart Guy, as shown when Stark and Banner first meet and Stark says "Finally! Someone who speaks English!" Banner is the more dedicated Smart Guy, but he's also The Big Guy. Like AP said, Banner was brought in for his knowledge on Gamma Rays. I don't see the problem with them both being The Smart Guys.

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May 15th 2012 at 3:30:04 PM •••

Let's settle the Country Matters debate: I say leave it in. It's not a different word, it's the exact same word, it just isn't used nowadays. "Quim" = "Cunt". Period.

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Sep 29th 2012 at 2:20:36 PM •••

I agree. It's like in Firefly where everyone cussed in Chinese. It doesn't mean that they didn't cuss, just that they did it in a different language.

May 14th 2012 at 9:35:29 AM •••

I cut this one out because I watched the movie again and the number is wrong. The bus is "1123" not "1138."

May 12th 2012 at 6:43:31 PM •••

Can someone explain why shawarma/gyros is a stealth pun?

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May 13th 2012 at 9:46:53 AM •••

"gyro" is pronounced the same as "hero".

May 13th 2012 at 4:00:18 PM •••

That's not just a stealthy pun, that's frickin' invisible.

May 8th 2012 at 8:13:44 AM •••

Ok, I figured I'd bring this up here. I added Aborted Arc, and it was deleted. The thing is, it was a complicated situation because they intentionally had two possible arcs planned from the ending of the Hulk movie, depending on whether the Avengers movie came first. If the Hulk movie came first, Banner took control, if the Avengers came first, he went crazy and was a menace (something that only happened under the influence of Loki's staff). However, since they didn't use the arc that was intended for the Avengers film, and instead the arc that was intended for the Hulk film, I think this counts. Opinions?

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May 9th 2012 at 9:59:53 PM •••

They had options but there was no arc. The last shot was purposefully vague so that other filmmakers could do whatever they want. Everything else has been fan speculation. As it stands, it is simply a shot of Bruce smiling as he turns into the Hulk. If we take that scene and apply it to the Avengers, it shows that he has mastered his anger in a more productive way which we saw in the climax.

An abandoned arc might be if there was a subplot in the Hulk's last movie that showed him being abducted by aliens, only for him to show up in the Avengers without explanation.

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May 5th 2012 at 1:51:59 PM •••

I would like to vote the Hulk slamming Loki as the Greatest Bodyslam of All Time!!

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Jun 22nd 2012 at 11:37:00 AM •••

But Loki looked all sad and he was whimpering...

I laughed at the body slam too. Then I wanted to hug him.

Sep 17th 2013 at 4:48:12 PM •••

What made it work for me was the pause between the third and fourth flailings. The Hulk thinking to himself: "Hulk still angry at this guy? Yes. Hulk still angry."

Apr 29th 2012 at 8:27:50 AM •••

Why was this deleted?

  • Genre Savvy: Loki. His plan is not to conquer the world, but to split up the Avengers first. Then conquer the world.
    • The Council. Fury shoots down the plane they send to bomb Manhattan with a rocket launcher before it leaves the deck. Turns out they had another plane, and Fury only had one launcher handy. He seriously considers trying to shoot it with his handgun for a few seconds.
    • The team itself. They all know Loki is up to something, when he surrenders, and spend a great deal of effort trying to figure out what.

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May 1st 2012 at 12:52:52 PM •••

yeah that should at least be in YMMV. This troper agrees with this bit.

May 7th 2012 at 11:51:31 PM •••

They are non-examples.

It's smart of Loki and the Council to plan ahead but it has nothing to do with the genre. If Loki was Genre Savvy, he would have known that splitting the team up will only result in them strengthening their ties. If the Council were savvy, they would have launched a nuke from a different location, rather than Fury's own helicarrier.

The team isn't too savvy in the scene mentioned above. While they suspect Loki was up to something, they still fell for his manipulations 100%.

Apr 28th 2012 at 8:00:14 AM •••

Can somebody explain why is Tony wearing a Black Sabbath T-shirt a Visual Pun?

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Apr 28th 2012 at 8:07:21 AM •••

Black Sabbath have a song called Iron Man. It played over the end credits of the first Iron Man movie (it's worth noting that the superhero predates the song, and the song is not actually about Tony Stark). In-universe, Tony Stark is almost certainly doing this deliberately.

May 6th 2012 at 7:41:13 PM •••

The funny thing is, the song is deliberately not about Tony Stark. When the song was written, Iron Man was already an established character, so when writing the song, he made sure to make it clear that it wasn't about Marvel's Iron Man so they wouldn't get hit with a copyright suit or anything.

Apr 28th 2012 at 5:09:12 AM •••

Okay, what? That's not a Chekhov's Gun, that's two unrelated sentences with no causal connection between them.

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Apr 29th 2012 at 8:28:25 AM •••

The implication seemed to be that Thor could use Mjolnir as a defib.

Apr 29th 2012 at 4:59:05 PM •••

Which still has nothing to do with what actually happened in the scene described in the second sentence.

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Apr 30th 2012 at 11:57:08 AM •••

Doesn't that make it a subverted example? I'm guessing the person who put that as an example just forgot to mention that.

May 7th 2012 at 1:16:26 PM •••

My GUESS is that the implication is, what with Tony's armor being supercharged by Thor for what could have been the whole rest of the movie, the arc reactor has enough extra power left to keep Tony alive and simply unconscious after a stunt that should have killed him

May 7th 2012 at 2:32:45 PM •••

That was an entirely different armor from the one he's wearing in the climax. Iron Man used that 400% reserve just to blast Thor right then and there.

May 9th 2012 at 3:44:32 PM •••

Don't forget it's not the armor that's supercharged, it's the reactor in his chest. That's never swapped out. And it makes perfect sense, too - the Arc Reactor is a reverse-engineered Tesseract, the Tesseract is Aesir technology, and Mjolnir gave it a jolt of pure sedr-based lightning after a lifetime of vanilla electricity.

Sep 29th 2012 at 2:34:54 PM •••

What Kalaong said. And I wouldn't call it a Chekov's Gun, but more Fridge Brilliance.

Apr 28th 2012 at 3:21:15 AM •••

Question: Wouldn't Coulson's alleged survival count more as Trolling Creator rather than Word of God?

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Apr 28th 2012 at 7:59:16 AM •••

Coulson's actor is in negotiations for reprising his role in the next Iron Man movie.

Apr 28th 2012 at 9:35:07 AM •••

But if google serves me right, that bit of information was released before Avengers came out, which makes it look a bit like a red herring.

Apr 29th 2012 at 9:23:00 AM •••

I was just about to ask about this, as I saw some edit/edit reasons assumed that Coulson's death must have been faked because of the interview comments which implied Coulson would survive the film. I'm thinking Lying Creator /Trolling Creator is much more likely

Mar 24th 2012 at 8:41:41 PM •••

When Banner says "We're not a team, we're a time bomb!", He's not kidding. Let's assess.

The Incredible Hulk: A Jekyll & Hyde case where Hyde can screw up a tank like a paper bag and deflect artillery strikes with his face.

Thor: A Spoiled Sweet Jerk with a Heart of Gold Physical God.

Captain America: The First Avenger: A Paragon Super Soldier from a time when even the most Badass of Colonel Badasses intimidated Nazi Mad Scientists with steak instead of waterboarding.

Black Widow: A Soviet Super Soldier.

Iron Man: An alcoholic Gadgeteer Genius with Powered Armor who trashed his own house wearing that damned armor while drunk.

The only one besides Nick Fury that the government can consider vaguely reliable is Hawkeye: The Archer with the most Improbable of Improbable Aiming Skills whose backstory hasn't even been stated yet.(Think this guy's gonna be capable of killing people by popping out his own fingernails and throwing them?)

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Mar 24th 2012 at 9:55:52 PM •••

That's a pretty good analysis there.

Hawkeye's backstory was him and his brother joining a carnival and being trained by two members as a master archer.

Mar 25th 2012 at 10:33:44 AM •••

The one I'm surprised no one is dissing me over is my description of Cap - this guy is AWESOME without having the even the slightest bit of jerk in him. I wonder if Cap's ever going to bring up how far our standards have fallen since his time. Sure, we have better race relations, but we're all but prepared to let our government get away with murder if it makes us feel safer. Pretty much the opposite of his time - we judged on race, but the Man refused to compromise on what morals it had.

Mar 26th 2012 at 7:44:28 AM •••

I really, sincerely hope that very little time is spent in the movie on political commentary. I wanna see superheroes duking it out with aliens and gods, not political take thats.

Mar 26th 2012 at 9:03:20 AM •••

Less political and more moral. Cap is implicitly NOT Dark And Edgy and that's A-OK.

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Mar 27th 2012 at 7:26:29 AM •••

Yeah, but it would be really easy and very tempting to take that "moral" commentary and have people turn it into political commentary.

Mar 27th 2012 at 6:20:28 PM •••

At its most basic, Cap fights for love of his home, not hatred of his enemies. He doesn't want to kill anyone. He just doesn't like bullies, it doesn't matter where they come from. Even if he never says anything, the general disapproval he gives off in the presence of jerks could start something.

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Mar 29th 2012 at 4:11:28 PM •••

Do we have any evidence that Black Widow is either, 1, Russian, or 2, superhuman? I haven't seen any.

Apr 1st 2012 at 12:18:35 PM •••

In "Fury's Big Week," Sterns is able to use his new powers to recognize that she spent her formative years in Stalingrad, but has been expatriate for far longer, and that this situation is due to "evil men." Though that last part might be hyperbole.

And it looked like he was trying to put the whammy on her, but she was able to shake it off rather easily.

Apr 29th 2012 at 8:34:20 AM •••

The only real politcal commentary involved with Cap was him looking at his new costume and musing that the flag seems "a little old-fashioned". Coulson tells him that maybe what's needed is a little old-fashioned.

Oh, and Widow isn't a communist. She says she's Russian, then corrects it with "was Russian". Which means that even if she doesn't consider herself an American, she doesn't feel she's Russian anymore.

Apr 29th 2012 at 9:11:23 AM •••

... And even if she did consider herself Russian, Scarlett Johansson was about six years old when the Soviet Union came to an end. Until they tell us that this incarnation of the Black Widow has the same longevity drugs as her comic-book counterpart, we have to assume that she was never a Soviet.

May 4th 2012 at 12:55:19 AM •••

I called it on Cap, though. He nearly has the first colossal tantrum of his cinematic career when he finds out that SHIELD is screwing around with the Tesseract solely to re-create HYDRA's weapons, including the city-busters he smashed the Valkyrie into the ice to stop!!!

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May 6th 2012 at 6:25:34 AM •••

I wouldn't call that a tantrum.

Sep 6th 2011 at 8:07:13 PM •••

Okay, people need to stop adding Bit Character for Pepper. This has been confirmed to be false. Jane is still a little up in the air.

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Aug 31st 2011 at 8:08:09 PM •••

Okay, I know the magic of this wiki is that you don't have to provide a source, but where, oh where, did the quote for Badass Boast come from?!

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Aug 31st 2011 at 8:09:50 PM •••

At this years D23 Expo (Disney's comic con) they showcased a clip from the film which had that Badass Boast.

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Oct 17th 2011 at 9:49:56 AM •••

Is the Gilligan Cut example from the same...showing?

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Oct 17th 2011 at 10:49:36 AM •••

AFAIK, the Gilligan Cut example is from the one-shot vid on the Thor bluray, not from this upcoming film. It'd probably belong more on the general Marvel Cinematic Universe page.

Oct 17th 2011 at 12:36:40 PM •••

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Oct 17th 2011 at 12:36:51 PM •••

— EDIT FAIL :'( — {Deleted} - Sorry for the "spam".

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Oct 17th 2011 at 12:37:01 PM •••

Thanks! :-) I've removed it from the Avengers page and added it to the MCU page.

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Aug 26th 2011 at 11:08:15 AM •••

I am concerned with the Continuity Snarl with the choice of Chris Evans as Captain America. In the past, the Fantastic Four and Avengers have teamed up, whether it was on opposite sides or as a single team. What would happen if they try to do this in a live-action adaptation, since Chris Evans played Johnny Storm in the 2004 Fantastic Four movie? Will he pull an Eddie Murphy and do both roles, or will they have to recast the character?

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Aug 26th 2011 at 11:10:16 AM •••

It's just not going to happen without a Continuity Reboot on the FF series. The Fantastic Four film franchise rights are held by a different studio, so the movies are not in continuity with one another.

Aug 31st 2011 at 2:28:41 PM •••

And Fox had plans to reboot the FF series, anyway.

Aug 17th 2011 at 7:04:50 PM •••

Is it confirmed that Hawkeye is going to use trick arrows?

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Aug 17th 2011 at 8:24:48 PM •••

It's seems very likely Hawkeye might use some sort of trick arrows such as arrows that makes explosions, electricity etc.

May 3rd 2012 at 12:12:32 PM •••

Handled in a very, VERY ingenious manner: Hawkeye's arrows are headless shafts, and the trick heads are actually contained in the quiver, which is mechanized and places the head on the arrow depending on what Hawkeye needs. He uses both the pointy kind and the trick kind.

Aug 6th 2011 at 11:27:20 AM •••

Joss Wheddon is directing this? So basically this movie is going to be about Black Widow in spite of the other heroes being more prominent and being actual original members in the comics. Just a prediction. Ugh.

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Aug 8th 2011 at 11:36:36 AM •••

It is done by a whole team of writers not just him, and he may only direct not write. I'd say more but I don't feed trolls.

Oct 12th 2011 at 3:17:19 PM •••

He actually wrote the whole script himself. But seeing as how out of all of his TV shows, one had a male lead, one was an ensemble piece, and even the ones that focused on specific characters were basically ensemble pieces anyway, it's not a particularly valid prediction.

Mar 25th 2012 at 12:18:40 AM •••

Think about Angel: a Fish out of Temporal Water who learns to trust others despite his knowledge of human bastardry.

This is simply the reverse: It seems Cap will be the viewpoint character - am inherently nice guy from a nicer time(his obnoxious superior refused to torture Nazis!) who has to learn how to work with some decent but inherently flawed people. He chose the Howling Commandos specifically because he had seen them perform under fire. The Avengers... Dysfunction Junction doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.

May 3rd 2012 at 12:10:49 PM •••

Saw the movie. Black Widow IS a solid character, but the main focus of the film is still the Big Four. If anything, it's Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner who steals the show.

Jun 2nd 2012 at 1:10:13 PM •••

No,he CO-wrote the movie.. not all of it himself.

Joss is great and all, but give Zak Penn some credit too.

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