Okay, I have to ask, is anybody working on posting a page for the sequel here, and not just on the message boards?
There's a scene where one of Dave's friends almost figures out that he's Kick-Ass before getting shot down by Katie's friend. When the Kick-Ass 'retirement' video is about to go online, the guy wonders aloud where Dave is before realising that he's never around when... oh, he must be with Katie, then. This must be some trope. I think. Ideas?
The Create Your Own Villain moment might double up as irony - Dave says at the start that this isn't some, "I WILL AVENGE YOU, MOTHER!" story... but that sums up The Motherfucker's motivations pretty nicely.
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Ok, people, for the last time: Hit Girl and Big Daddy ARE NOT anti-villains. They are not on the villains' side. They are anti-heroes instead. Why would you possibly think they're anti-villains?
Okay, does Kick-Ass count as a Badass Normal? He gets his ass kicked routinely by generic mundane thugs, doesn't live in a world where superpowers (Charles Atlas or otherwise) widely exist, and the only time he ever kept up with Hit Girl was when he donned the rocketpack chaingun ensemble.
Hell, his frequent receiving of asswhoopings barely even qualify him for Badass.
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I'd say no, he's not a Badass Normal and calling him one would be an insult to all the other Badass Normals on the list. If anyone in this universe can be considered Badass Normal I'd say Hit Girl or Big Daddy but even then that's stretching the usage of the trope which needs some sort of superpowered comparison.
Unclouded TJ: Taking Bunny-Ears Lawyer too literally.
Nah, Kick-Ass has the most ironic name possible. He's a terrible fighter. You do have to give him credit for holding off 3 thugs with two batons and a nutsack the size of Jupiter, though.
So, uh, how about them Giants? Which ones? ...Does it matter?
"...doesn't live in a world where superpowers exist..." Boom! There's your answer. "Badass Normal" is only applied when a character with no superpowers is a badass in a universe where super powers DO exist. That's the whole point of the trope, and it certainly does not apply here.
Not sure what the tropes for it are called, but I got a definite vibe that Big Daddy and Hit Girl switch off acting like the adult and the child...when he says "I made it a game", it's far more true for him than her at the moment.
Because it's gotten removed a few times now, I figure i'll post something here to discuss it. Adaptation Decay trope. Every single other comic book movie has decay on it, like. Literally, I checked. And everyone else i've talked to considers the jetpack scene just rather weird, out of place and just not that great compared to the comic version of that scene.
Don't get me wrong! I like the scene as a whole because it's pretty cool and I like how it went, but it's still decay as a whole. I was just going to add it in with a more neutral light, but I figured if it's just going to get removed again i'm not going to bother, but I figure I should atleast try to put in my two cents rather then go into a stupid edit war.
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And everyone else i've talked to considers the jetpack scene just rather weird, out of place and just not that great compared to the comic version of that scene.
Isn't it more suitable for instances where a scene has been changed, not necessarily for the negative?
Half-Life: Dual Nature, a crossover story of reasonably sized proportions.
The fact that you're trying to put your two cents in means it really shouldn't be an example. "Everyone you've talked to" could be two people that you saw the movie with for all we know. It is a subjective trope, but it's not that open to opinion.
In fact, Adaptation Decay isn't even about individual changes. It's what happens when a work gets adapted so many times that it loses the spark of the original. The concept doesn't even enter into this situation, since the movie is the only adaptation. What we have here is a case of someone not reading the trope description carefully enough and then deciding it means "whatever changes from the original that I don't like."
Whether the jetpack scene works in the movie or not, it doesn't fit that trope. Don't try to make it.
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I'd argue that the jetpack adds a fantastical, hi-tech element to a slightly more realistic(atleast with weapons and the like) story.
On the single entry thing... doesn't that mean alot of pages need more revamping, then? It seems a good number of Adaptation Decay entries are just one or two little things.
I'm not trying to argue, hence avoiding of a edit war, just trying to get greater understanding.
Not necessarily. It's just that the entry has been subjected to a lot of definition drift as people take it to mean some change in the adaptation that they personally dislike. That's not what it means. The way to tell if it's Adaptation Decay and not some other trope is if the characters and setting are changed to the point where they aren't even recognizable anymore. While the movie does take a few pragmatic liberties in order to take advantage of the medium (and parody superhero movies instead of superhero comics), a lot of the lines are lifted directly from the comic, and the characters retain enough of their original personality that you can at least tell who they are. That fits more under Adaptation Distillation and Pragmatic Adaptation than this trope.
First try, don't flay me...
re: Gorn. Disagree with that trope being applied to this movie. While the movie does contain copius amount of red squirty, microwave mook (mook-rowave) scene in particular, the movie never really seems to delight in the pain. We're never given the opportunity to examine and enjoy the torment and suffering.
For instance: incidental thug gets a leg chopped off. However the amputation is only visable for a split second. My buddy actually blinked missed the whole thing.. "what do you mean he got his leg chopped off... where??" And the thug gets finished off half a second later with the missing leg out of frame (and honestly, the "finishing off" out of frame as well)
Also: Incidental mook gets crushed in a car. Gorn would have definitely spent a lot more time watching his legs break (snap, crackle, pop), intestines squish out, and focused on the look of abject pain and horror on the victim's face. Instead, the movie opted for a splat on the windshield and a quick glimpse of the twisted steel aftermath.
definitely not gorn.
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Sneering Imperialist
Can we link C Mo A to the Crowning Moment/Kick-Ass page? I'd do it now, but seeing as there's an admin request, I'd like to run it by this page first.
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
Does Red Mist actually become a supervillain in the film's ending? His father's criminal organization was completely destroyed, and after Kick-Ass says that he can retire because he's inspired others to take up the cause in his place, it cuts to Red Mist in his father's chair. It seems to me that Red Mist had decided to take up costumed heroism for real, turning his fake superhero persona into a real one. Or am I just confused?
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Never mind. I didn't realize that his last line was a shout out to The Joker.
Can't quite add this back in yet
- Broken Aesop: Not that you're meant to take this darkly-comedic deconstruction too seriously, but the justification of it's perfectly okay to not care about other people's suffering and not help them once you have your own happiness to pursue leaves a rather sour-aftertaste when the credits roll.
It's more along the lines that he's tried it and realized it's a lot tougher than he thought it would be. His superhero image has popularized the ideals he set forward and he feels that's enough of a difference to make people think twice about not helping others when in trouble.
Unclouded TJ: Taking Bunny-Ears Lawyer too literally.
Less of a "I don't care, I got a girlfriend!" and more of "Okay, I almost got killed, I think I'm done dressing up in a scuba suit...for now."
Especially since he makes a point of mentioning the brand-new crop of heroes to follow in his (and Hit-Girl's) footsteps.
It's not *quite* clear, but at the end of the movie, when Mindy attends school, it's high school, right? Does that qualify for being a Teen Genius as well?
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Everything I've read about this movie says she's 11. Granted, I haven't actually seen it, but yeah.
See you in the discussion pages.
Some school districts have middle school and high school on the same campus. Not sure if that applies in New York, but it does happen in real life.
Also, her actual age is never given in the movie. In the comic she's ten.
Here is a nice article that discusses the subversions and deconstructions in the film. http://chud.com/articles/articles/23386/1/REVIEW-KICK-ASS-DEVIN039S-SECOND-TAKE/Page1.html
"And that jetpack. That was one of the things that troubled me on my first viewing, but was totally cleared up on my second viewing. See, I watched Kick-Ass the first time thinking it was a deconstruction of the superhero genre: 'This is what would happen if a real person put on a costume and fought crime.' That's the fakeout hook, but it's not what the movie is about. Kick-Ass is a complete celebration and re-affirmation of the superhero genre."
SPOILERS! SPOILERS EVERYWHERE!
Just saw Kick-Ass 2. The Motherfucker holds his gun gangster style whilst holding up a small store and an old guy tells him that he'll smack himself in the face if he doesn't hold his gun properly because of the recoil. It happens. Reality Ensues?
Chris tells the old guy to get down on the floor, despite holding a walking stick (not much of a spoiler, but it ruins a punch line) and, naturally, it takes a while, which makes The Motherfucker annoyed. Refuge in Audacity? On top of that, contrary to some claims, there is a 'rape' scene - The Motherfucker tries to rape Night Bitch, but he can't get an erection. This is Played for Laughs! Would-be Rape as Comedy! A more solid candidate for Refuge in Audacity, I think.
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