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So, my moment was deleted and I was\'t told why- no edit reason given, not to mention no mention of it here that I can find.
I think you can add it back. Idk why it was deleted either.
So apparently Dethroning Moments of Suck regarding a game\'s casting aren\'t allowed because they deal with stuff that involves real people. That\'s stupid- people can be mad about how the devs wrote the game\'s story, but not how they handled casting?
Your entry got deleted again BTW for the reason you just said.
I removed this for contesting another entry:
I removed this entry because it covers the entire game rather than a single moment.
Removed this moment for being about the entire game and not one moment
I'm looking at the Project X Zone 2 D Mo S...either you have a problem with characters' absences, or you have a problem with the music they picked for Ingrid. I'd say you should pick one or the other...but I feel that choice isn't mine.
Removed for being gameplay-related.
People keep deleting my entry on Snake Rattle 'n' Roll on Rare Replay (although it does apply to the NES version as well). Apparently, it's due to me mentioning gameplay mechanics, and how it goes against the rules. I checked, and it says nothing about mentioning mechanics of a game. Plus, the gameplay mechanics contribute to the Dethroning Moment. If it contributes to the moment, is it kosher to put on the page? Do dethroning moments have to be completely story related if the game barely has a story? I just don't see the problem with mentioning gameplay mechanics that contribute to a single moment.
"Please make sure the moment is fictional and is neither an event that occurred in real life nor something gameplay-related. We have a perfectly good Scrappy Mechanic page for the latter."
This is a page for awful moments in a game's story. Not complaining about the gameplay or difficulty.
Removed for being an example of Executive Meddling.
Deleted an old DMOS. It was even more poorly thought out than my usual fare, and I came to regret ever typing it.
Hello, I would like to post my DMOS in the video game section. Tell me what you think of my DMOS before I start posting it:
A bit of spoiler salad, I think. Also, you don't need discussion to add an entry, so as long as it conforms to the rules.
Okay. Thank you.
I finally put an entry on this list. I may be jumping the gun a bit, but I just felt like bringing something up. Something that didn't make me happy at all.
This topic needs another cleanup. Most of these "examples" are INCREDIBLY whiny. The whole thing just reads as a bunch of antisocial geeks whinging over small, insignificant plot points due to the games they're playing not going the exact same way as they want them to.
I agree with this man. Unfortunately, that seems to be a constant part of the Dethroning Moment pages in general. They're much more obnoxious than anything.
I'm pretty sure I've fallen victim to this today. Still, I felt like I had something to do here, and I couldn't help but bring up a scene from Wario Ware: Touched! that felt (to me) like a wasted opportunity at a Heartwarming Moment.
Am I the only one who feels that the Mega Man Zero entry is less an example of this and more an example of the original poster bashing on the series? I mean, he brings up points that were never part of the game series at all. Like "Dr. Wily is the real hero"? How the hell does that make sense? At no point in the game does it ever suggest that Wily is the hero of the series, even if his creation is the hero of his self-titled series. In fact, Zero acts completely differently to what Wily intended him for, so this makes even less sense.
Even worse, the Maverick Virus, which originated with Zero and by extension, Wily, was the reason so many Reploids turned evil in the first place. There wouldn't have been nearly as many genocidal wars if Wily didn't go around screwing things up.
Exactly, Wily caused everything, so this entry is just a guy who did no research and was just trolling, why do we want an example like this that would really hurt our reputation.
This isn't a Dethroning Moment of Suck, this is just some guy being a dick.
Removed. If MM Trigger wishes to defend his claim, he can do it here.
Okay, he put it back and he didn't even defend it here. Or did I miss something?
Because this seems just like some guy hating on this series for no reason.
The Mass Effect 3 entries need to be cleaned up. Having heard of problems in the past, I'm going to post here first as to why the posts should be removed.
L Dragon 2: Your choices determine whether you even get three options in the end, and determine the storyline of the game and whether you can get the best resolutions.
atrasicarius: This claim is, to put it bluntly, completely and utterly ignorant. Just look at this link, which describes how each of the endings vary: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Priority:_Earth#Aftermath
Dr Zulu 2010: You're not forced to agree with the Catalyst. Nothing stops you from choosing the option it explicitly condemns, Destroy. Nothing indicates that Shepard agrees with the Catalyst.
Pikachu 4 Prezident: Harbinger appears in the ending, utterly overwhelming the assault team. To say it is absent is false.
Crazy Rabbits: It's made quite clear throughout the entire series, especially the third game, that the Reapers are nigh-impossible to defeat in conventional warfare. Even if you have a high EMS, the best the fleets can do is hold their own.
Ultimately, the majority of the complaints are complete misconceptions if not deliberate mistruths. A lot of it needs to be cut down.
I think I might have validated the Reapers destroying civilisation. I was going to place it in the DMOS page right away, but I was worried that my logic was flawed. Here's what my submission was going to be:
I say we delete this from the Mortal Kombat 2011 entry; this just smacks of "I don't like this ending therefore DMOS!".
A scenario where the villains gain more power because one of the villains won? Really! You don't say! What did you think was going to happen? By that logic, why don't we add the endings for Sektor (he takes control of the Lin Kuei), Noob (he takes over the underworld and gains more power) and Kano (he essentially becomes Skynet and is poised to take over the world) while we're at it?
So let me get this straight: The Force Unleashed DLC letting you kill Ewoks and everyone else on Endor being a villain defiles the franchise and strokes the creator's ego now? Unless I'm wrong, killing people are just some standards for games when they are letting you be a villain. Of course, as I never played this DLC (I've yet to gain access to even look at it), I don't know. Could someone clarify, please?
On one hand, the scene in question involves Starkiller killing Han, Chewie and Leia, along with countless Ewoks and rebel commandoes, and comes off as a God-Mode Sue killing beloved characters for the sake of it. On the other, this is non-canon DLC.
I'm fairly certain that Minecraft DMOS at the top of the page doesn't fit here.
Can we throw something for Mess Effect 3 ending...
See, Joker has to repopulate the human race. However, Joker has a god damned GENETIC DEFECT that causes brittle bones. I do not see a very bright future for humanity...
How is Joker expected to repopulate humanity? Countless humans survive throughout the galaxy. Earth is not the only place where humans live, and not all Earth humans were killed.
So I just get a PM from Genocide Heart with him complaining about how I removed his contesting of an entry when he claims that there are several others exactly like his.
If I recall, though, most of them actually have their own moments and the least that can be done is removing the contesting part. Can something be done about this?
People REALLY want to pretend that Samus never asked Adam "Then why did you shoot me?!" just to strengthen their argument, huh?
Uh... What? I don't get the context of what you're saying.
Provide the original example, maybe?
EDIT: Found it.
To be honest, this scene is an awful mess in many, many, many ways (Adam endangers Samus' life for no reason, Adam takes out a fully-suited Samus with one shot, Adam doesn't give Samus any credit despite her being a model soldier for the time they've spent together, Adam's entire logic for the heroic sacrifice is built on an assumption that makes no sense in context of the Prime games or Metroid 2), but yes, this example is complete bullshit.
I hate Other M, but I hate more when fans on either side of the divide lie.
And of course we have the lot that WON'T. SHUT. UP. about the Ridley scene. There's already some good justifications for Sam's reaction in that scene but try telling that to the fandom.
The fandom dislikes the execution and the perceived inconsistency. They know the reasons behind the scene (At least, they would if they read the obscure manga), but that doesn't mean they have to like it.
And this is why I get sick of talking about Other M with either fans or haters. BECAUSE. YOU. ALL. USE. FUCKING. CAPSLOCK! Seriously, I just edited an example on the page, and guess what? IT USED THE FUCKING CAPSLOCK!
Sorry about the caps lock.
But what would they expect her to do with the reasons for the scene? Do a Happy Dance? Apparently its wrong for some characters to have a personality. Sure its nice to write a character without one in one way you like but still.
Sure its annoying to have her basically shut down like that considering a moment ago she mowed through many monsters but the reasons behind at least make the scene understandable. In this case, its a case of people looking but not watching to understand, same with the infamous "Adam Shoots First" scene. Sure its annoying how Samus doesn't do anything beyond asking Adam why he shot her and all that but at least she makes a token attempt at calling Adam out by asking "WHY YOU SHOOT ME MANG?" though he sadly dodges the question with guff about unfreezable Metroids. Ask the fandom though and apparently Samus says nothing, apparently becoming a total voiceless doormat overcome with fear and General Rugged Man's Sacrificial Last Face to register a complaint or even make an angry face
Yeah, I had to edit out that part of the example. I might have to edit out some other stuff, too...
And sorry for losing my temper. I just get sick of the fact that Other M just broke the fanbase for my favorite video game series in half. It's like the Prime Hunters and Fusion fiascos, only a million times worse.
Basically its because everyone imagined Samus as some big though super badass of a bounty hunter or to put it simply, Solid Snake/James Bond/Boba Fett/Arnold Schwarzeneggar with a vagina. Having a set personality now muddies that, especially if it gives her one or two character flaws.
Hey, I just got the game for Christmas, and you know what I'm going to do?
I'm going to play it. I'm probably going to enjoy it, too.
And even if I don't like some places the plot goes?
I'm sure as shit not going to bitch endlessly about it on the internet as if it really matters. It's a fucking video game, people. I love games as much as anyone, and I'll admit to taking them a bit too seriously at times, but come the fuck on.
Get over it.
So they wrote in a storyline you didn't like? Boo fucking hoo. Here's a little secret for you: It's not fucking real. In the large scheme of things, the storyline of Other M matters slightly less than...well, anything really. Just play the game, enjoy it, or don't. But can we please stop endlessly bitching about it like a bunch of whiny children?
About the Ridley scene.
Samus has faced Ridley multiple times before right? She beat him up multiple times before right? I think it's the inconsistency that it's NOW that she starts crying and completely breaks down in front of him when she fought him before multiple times without that reaction.
Of course I never played the game, so this is just hearsay (I have no opinion on anything about Other M). If this is incorrect, then the DMOS should not be on the page. If it is correct, then it's perfectly justified.
From what I heard, it's not that people hate Samus having a personality, it's that they don't like the personality chosen.
Having just gotten to this part in the game, just a clarification for the sequence of events:
1. Samus says in the first cutscene that Ridley, her nemesis, is dead, as a fact that she knows. Not she thinks he's dead, but she knows he's dead—she killed him herself, he was on a planet that then exploded. He's D-E-D dead, and the girl's got closure on the single most traumatic thing to happen to her in her life.
2. Samus meets up with Higgs in a darkened room, when suddenly some unseen thing starts shooting fire at them. After Samus turns on the lights with lava and explosions, Ridley is right there in her face, looking for all the world like a demon from hell—remember, in her mind, this is impossible, and it tears opens all the old wounds that she thought were closed and going to heal. She doesn't cry, she freezes up in disbelief mostly.
3. Ridley grabs her and, importantly, pins her gun-arm to her side, so she's unable to shoot back, and proceeds to grind her against the wall—it's only at this point that her powersuit starts to fail on her probably as a combination of her mental state and the damage from, you know, being ground against the wall.
4. Higgs nails Ridley with his plasma beam, forcing him to drop Samus, and Samus manages to ger herself together enough to reform the powersuit, but she's still sluggish and unable to defend herself by virtue of being flat on her face. Ridley tail whips Higgs off the platform.
5. Samus gets up, snaps out of it, and proceeds to blast Ridley with plasma beams and super missiles to the point where Ridley runs the hell away like his ass was on fire.
And, for reference, the whole ordeal from freak-out to shoot'im-in-the-face lasts about a minute and a half, give or take.
I always find it funny that the people who bitch about this conveniently forget that Samus kicks the living crap out of him immediately after the very brief freak-out.
Things that were cut from the page when it was being brought into line with the new guidelines:
Cut from the page:
So, the first guy's saying you've got to kill the civilians. And the second guy's saying you don't. So, if you don't actually have to kill the civilians, doesn't that render the reasoning untrue?
Why was my Tales Of Phantasia entry deleted? It was perfectly valid.
Deleted? I still see a Tales Of Phantasia entry on there.
Ack, sorry. Didn't see it at first, and I thought it was deleted by accident in the recent cleanup. Sorry about that. D=
I have to question the Final Fantasy VI entry. The fact that the opera is universally considered a masterpiece (especially music) makes it seem like the entry is an attempt at flamebait.
And yes, I am aware this is a subjective trope, but even subjective tropes should have standards.
I agree, but for different reasons. To me, this is the perfect demonstration of how flawed the policies of Dethroning Moment Of Suck pages are, by not only eliminating the possibility of contesting or removing examples, but not containing any material such as a troper signature (as used on such pages as Pet Peeve Trope) to emphasize that this is an individual's opinion rather than the consensus of the site.
As it stands, the FFVI opera scene is listed on our site as the worst moment in the game, and we can't do anything about it. Except change the rules of the page.
It was removed.
There ought to, like any other page on here, be some level of concensus for entries. I'm not saying we all need to vote, but if there's something that, like the Opera Scene, is generally considered to be among the best things to ever happen in any game ever, it really shouldn't be on this page.
I'm all for subjective opinions, but "opinion" doesn't mean it isn't wrong.
"We have perfectly good Scrappy Mechanic, That One Level and That One Boss pages for that."
I can understand Scrappy Mechanic, but are you saying that very difficult level or boss = shitty level or boss? Just as easy does not equal suck, neither does hard; there are dethroning levels and bosses that aren't difficult at all.
The point is this: don't add gameplay elements or level design.
Had to adjust a warning since some of the moments on this page are not fictional.
Regarding the recently deleted moment to Drawn To Life 2: I'm sorry if it seemed I was bashing the entire work rather than just the ending. I still think it (the ending, that is) qualifies, but you're allowed to reword the entry so the confusion's no longer there.
Thank you for the reassurance. I have restored the entry and as I said in the page history, if anyone has a way to make it more clearer, do so.
Edit: Oops, accidentally put this in the wrong place
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