Discussion DethroningMoment / SuperSmashBros

A factual error in the one regarding trophies, and which games they list. While the series does sometimes make mistakes in things like this (like claiming Daisy appeared in the original Mario Golf), in most cases (such as the Rayman example), that field is not an indication of the character's first appearance, but just listing one or two examples of games in which that character appeared, which may or may not include their first appearance. Just the fact that some trophies list two games is enough to disprove the notion that it's meant to show the first appearance.

• Super Mafia: I feel that Palutena's Guidance, as a whole, is worthy of a Dethroning Moment of Suck. First off: The mechanic was inferior to the Snake Codecs from Brawl in many regions. In Brawl, the codecs for characters were being spoken by a cast of characters from a mostly 'serious' franchise, which it's why it's funny when the Colonel talks about Wario's farting, while the humor seems padded and forced in Palutena's Guidance. Second: The idea was good, but the execution was poor. The writing of these guidance dialogue seems subpar and filled with jokes and references that are not as fully because they felt flimsy. Finally: The DLC Guidance dialogue. It sucks that all the DLC characters get only one short guidance about how they came from "another dimension." It seems foolish to have this one, short piece of dialogue when they could have made each entry a bit unique from one another, especially when the four current DLC characters were already revealed. (namely: Mewtwo himself speaking to Pit via Telepathy, Ryu speaking directly to Pit, Lucas' tearjerking story about the Nowhere Islands and Vidiri's sympathy for him, among other dialogue potential for Roy.) And that's why I brand Palutena's Guidance as a whole, a Dethroning Moment of Suck.
  • shonengirl: I like the Palutena's Guidances just fine, but I will agree that considering how clever the humor was in their source game, they could have done much better; not to mention that unlike Snake Pit has no excuse for not knowing who half the roster is. And there was so much wasted potential for the DLC characters, it just seemed lazy despite what this Wiki's Awesome page says, since all of these characters have so much potential like the above points out; how iconic Ryu is, Lucas's backstory, etc. And it's pretty bad when the Just For Fun page could come up with much better ones.

Isn't this a violation considering it's labeling an entire feature and not a single moment?

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• Just Here To Comment: Little quick after having just been released, but the Palutena's Guidance for the DLC characters, Mewtwo, Roy, Ryu, and Lucas. Now before you go to edit this page with the reason "Moments only," it is a moment. All four of them have the same guidance. It just seems lazy that they couldn't come up with anything for Pit and Palutena to say about these characters. Of particular note is Lucas, which I choose as the biggest offender in this dethroning moment. Roy, Mewtwo, and Ryu, I could maybe understand Palutena having no information on since none of them were in Brawl, but Lucas debuted in the same Smash Bros. game as you, Pit. You should know who he is! The Subspace Emissary seems to be in continuity, given that Pit thinks Mr. Game & Watch is a Shadow Bug, so how does Pit not recall someone else who went on that adventure with him? I mean, other than the laziness of giving each DLC character the same Guidance.

Does this violate the "event has to be fictional" rule? Because it's more upset about the developers not doing something rather than what happens fictionally.

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Placing rjsulll's comment here where it should have gone rather than blatantly ignoring the "No contesting entries" rule which exists:

• rjsulll:The Princesses were captured because that's what always happens to them. Mario was taken out by a cannonball that came out of nowhere, so he could not have dodged it. Also, has it ever occurred to you that the enemy got Mario because he's beaten Petey before and would do it again?

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• CM302 For me, the worst one of these in Brawl wasn't a story scene in the Subspace Emissary, but pretty much just Wario's entire portrayal from start to finish.

Does it violate the "Moments only" rule?

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