When I added this entry, what I meant was the concept behind each Warchief's Horde, not necessarily the reality. Vol'jin wanted the Horde to be a family, perhaps to emulate Thrall, and often spelled that out, even though that was not always the case. If you can word that in some other way, feel free
Regardless, the differences between VJ and Thrall's Horde were not my main point; what I wanted to emphasise was that the Horde randomly becomes evil depending on the Warchief (and plot convenience).
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Thrall was all about family, so would it be alright to say that both Thrall and Vol'jin Horde were a family?
So Depending on the Writer was changed from
- Depending on the Writer: The post WC 3 Horde can go from a benevolent group of honorable warriors and shaman to a badly maintained legion of psychopaths. Generally the former was more prevalent in Classic, BC and WOTLK, while the latter was more prevalent in MOP, WOD and BFA.
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- Depending on the Writer: The post WC 3 Horde can go from a benevolent group of honorable warriors and shaman to a badly maintained legion of psychopaths. Generally the former was more prevalent in Classic, BC WOTLK, and WOD while the latter was more prevalent in MOP and BFA.
I don't see how WOD portrayed the Horde in a good light, considering it retconned the orcs history from them trying to exterminate the draenei after extensive manipulating, leadership culling, and even their ancestors being impersonated, to orcs trying to kill all Draenei just because their leader said so. Anti-Villain and Noble Demon orcs like Kirogg, Grom, and Ner'zhul were very written as very flatly evil in WOD.
Currently the Warcraft The Horde Old Horde and Warcraft The Alliance Exodar even say the Draenei are justified in trying to exterminate the orcs in BFA for what they did in WOD. With this in mind, I don't see how WOD presented the Horde in a good light?
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I think they meant that the prime timeline version of the Horde was portrayed in a good light in WOD. The player's Horde, the Horde that Vol'jin was leading at the time. You're right about the Iron Horde, but I would argue it's the orcs that get a bad light there more than the whole Horde.
It should be noted that Warlords of Draenor's version of the orcs have noticeable differences compared to the prime timeline, and then there's the fact the Horde allied with the Frostwolves, who were unmistakable heroic due to their stance against the Iron Horde. I believe that it comes down to the fact that the villainous orcs in Draenor were based on orcs that are long dead in the prime timeline, with the exception of Grom.
It's also quite clear they didn't think this expansion through since slaying orcs gets boring, and thus hastily added the Burning Legion at the end.
RE: Nithael
Orcs are still a vital part of the Horde just as humans are a vital part of the Alliance. So with that in mind, at best, it depicts the Horde neutrally.
RE: Shadao
I wouldn't say there were really any notable differences.
Chronicles also retconned the lore of Pre-Legion orcs to make them more evil after WOD.
For example, Orcs and Draenei went from living peacefully but separately before the Legion, to the orc clans frequently capturing and enslaving Draenei merchants, with the females being turned into breeding slaves.
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On the Old Horde/Iron Horde discussion page I posted a suggestion but I don't think anyone will see it, so I'll repost here.
With Warlords getting ever closer, anyone think we could better organize this page? Like, narrow the characters into folders for their Clans (Blackhand, Orgrim, and Rend in a Blackrock tab, Gul'dan and Garona in a Shadow Council tab, Zul'jin in an Amani tab, etc). This would let us add a few more characters as Warlords brings them out (A Frostwolf tab could have Ga'nar and AU!Drek'thar and Draka).
What do you guys think of an 'others' page where more minor characters that don't fit into the factions can be placed? Like the Taunka, Revantusk, Hozen, etc?
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So a page for the minor factions of the Horde, without playable races? Sure, that could work. So there would be the Taunka tribes, Revantusk (and other non-Darkspear trolls), Forest Hozen, mag'har (if they aren't listed anywhere else), mok'nathal, and some ogre tribes. Anyone else I forgot?
Sure, go ahead and make this page.
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Page needs to be split for length. A lot of the character pages are nearing the limit, but this is the worst.
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Split them by race. Still need major ZCE and spoiler cleanup, though. Plus folderizing.
She might be, but Draco in Leather Pants is a YMMV trope, so it can't be listed on the main/ or characters/ subpages, but on the YMMV subpage. And she's already there anyway.
Oh,and wouldn"t garrosh be an example of "beware the silly ones" in tbc?
Rexxar: Type IV because while he was helpful, he's still an mercenary who talks about being one with nature while slaughtering en masse and killing rare phoenixes for a egg.
Vol'jin he borders on type V, the only reason he isn't is because he owes thrall.
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yeah, no. Voljin's one of the most honorable, likeable characters in the game.
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We don't list examples of Anti-Hero with "Type III" or "Type IV". You have to use the name used on Anti-Hero, like Classical Anti-Hero instead.
With that said, no. Rexxar isn't a mercenary, he decides to join the Horde and is made its champion. Killing phoenixes would make him a hypocrite, but not a villain or anything.
And what, exactly, has Vol'jin done that could be interpreted as "evil"? All I can see is fighting the Alliance on Garrosh's orders, just like everybody else in the Horde.
if audio files from ptr 5.2 are to be believed we cand add took alevel in badass to lor'themar
I question the claim on the Heel–Face Revolving Door that Thrall's Horde was not a family.
As mentioned, back in WC 3 to WOTLK it was constantly emphasized that Orcs, Trolls and Taurens had: similar Warrior/Shaman cultures and this was emphasized in
By contrast, during Vol'jin's Horde the Conflict Ball had been set up, there were:
With this in mind, I'd say True Companions applied far more in Thrall's reign then Vol'jin's reign. Any objections?
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