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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Apr 7th 2016 at 2:16:18 PM •••

From Suyin's entry:

  • Hypocrite:
    • Suyin will give anyone a second chance, even traitors such as Varrick, but doesn't believe in any second chances for those who betray her trust or her second chances even once, with the exception of her son and Varrick (whom she had little interaction with, and doesn't intend to return to Zaofu).
    • Also, her desire to make those that betray her answer for for their crimes is either downright hypocritical or Moral Myopia when you remember that she never had to endure punishment for the crimes she performed as a teenager, and even as an adult never showed a great level of remorse or desire to be punished for what she has done.
    • She was granted the chance to travel around the world and defends that everyone has the right to reach their highest potential. Yet she quickly rejects the idea of her daughter Opal leaving Zaofu to go to the Air Temples in order to become a skilled airbender.

This just really reeks of character-bashing by cherrypicking things and calling it hypocrisy. If she was presented as a hypocrite by the work please readd and state that. Most of this is fan-interpretation that really should go in YMMV under Alternative Character Interpretation or Unintentionally Unsympathetic.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
May 5th 2016 at 7:14:22 AM •••

Also pulled this for a similar reason.

  • Moral Dissonance: She forgave Baatar Jr, but refused to forgive Kuvira even though he supported and aided Kuvira every step of the way. The only thing Kuvira did that Jr isn't equally culpable of is try to kill Jr, which is a rather specific line to draw considering all the other deaths she caused, either directly or indirectly.

Not only is that a massive shoehorn of Moral Dissonance (Suyin doesn't exactly have a moral code about forgiveness), but it blatantly misrepresents... everything. Firstly, it's natural to be more forgiving of your own son. Secondly (and more importantly) it lies about Bataar's guilt. Bataar could be reasoned with. Bataar was willing to surrender (and did) without a fight and give up his goal of conquest. And then tried to get Kuvira to do the same (and her response was to use him to try to kill a bunch more people). Kuvira did not give up and only asked for forgiveness after she exhausted every single possible option and her giant mecha was destroyed (with Bataar's help, no less). Their situations are exceedingly different.

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Eagal This is a title. Since: Apr, 2012
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Jul 7th 2015 at 1:48:48 PM •••

I made a booboo and can't properly fix it. When i try to edit the edit window is super tiny. I tried deleting the slashes that somehow got added in but it seems to have added more O_o

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TheRoguePenguin Since: Jul, 2009
Jul 7th 2015 at 2:39:16 PM •••

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