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Danielsan Since: Apr, 2017
Nov 18th 2023 at 4:53:51 AM •••

Leo's section is full of incorrect facts and pieces of information. Beginning from the first point, Leo's gender has always been presented as ambiguous. Katsuhiro Harada never stated Leo was assigned-female-at-birth, but he revealed that ORIGINALLY Leo was conceived as a female character (check the video at 02.06: Harada says 'Motomoto josei kyara to shite tsukuttemashita' "もともと女性キャラとして作ってました。" which translates to 'I originally made them as a female character' and Murray, as a matter of fact, translates it as 'there was a female actually'). It was supposed to be a development fun fact, but it has wrongly been taken as a confirmation about Leo's gender. In a 2012 live at Tekken Nipponbashi museum (https://youtu.be/N0M4Xx7RoDQ?t=1230 -> once you open the link, it will bring you to the interested part), he revealed that, at the beginning of TK 6 development, their intention was to make a female character named Eleonore, but after getting the initial concept arts, they discarded the previous idea in favour of a gender neutral character. The reason was that the character was showing a masculine/neutral style which caught the interest of the developers, and they thought it might have been a great idea to make a character that wasn't strictly male or female. One thing I'd like to point out is that the Japanese bio refers to the character by using gender neutral pronouns or by repeating the name 'Leo'; the translated bios are full of oversights and are not reliable. There are other tweets where the producer repeats the same thing: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/na1kdv -> Tweet 1 https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/537447821993967616 -> Tweet 2 Consequently the full name is not used in the official setting and some tropes should be changed ('only known by their nickname', 'Named After Somebody Famous' for istance). I'm not familiar with all of them, but I'd still like to edit the page correctly or see if there's someone more experienced that can help me. Thanks

thatsnumberwang Since: Oct, 2010
Aug 17th 2021 at 5:37:36 AM •••

Why are we using they/them pronouns for Leo? When was that established and that not that she is either a tomboy or transgender which would make him a he?

KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
Feb 20th 2014 at 9:27:11 AM •••

The following was changed from "Bigger Bad" to "Man Behind the Man":

"Jin is the one responsible for the global war, but his actions are only so Azazel awakens and becomes vulnerable. Also this for the whole series, as it's the one who imbued Kazuya and Jin with Devil in the first place."

In that case, Azazel is not Man Behind the Man. According to the main page:

"Also not to be confused with The Man Behind the Man, where a villain directly tied into the story is revealed to be controlling or manipulating the apparent Big Bad."

That does not describe Azazel, either. Jin was in control of his own actions, and the main conflict of the story is specifically Jin's war. Azazel is the catalyst for which Jin started the war, and the war (intertwined with the Mishima family feud) is the main conflict of both T6 and the series a whole. To that end, while Azazel is fought, he never involves himself in that conflict.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010
Feb 20th 2014 at 10:16:04 AM •••

I don't know Tekken, but as written it's Man Behind the Man, since it the example makes it sound like he imbued Kazuya and Jin with Devil for his eventual awakening.

EDIT: Looking at the rest of his entry it definitely looks like Bigger Bad is a fit. But the example needs to be rewritten.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
Feb 20th 2014 at 11:38:29 AM •••

That's no problem. I Know Tekken. :)

dvegaj Since: Dec, 2011
Feb 22nd 2013 at 8:51:26 AM •••

Zafina is NOT an Ambiguously Brown character. Although her nationality is unknown, according to Katsuhiro Harada, producer of the Tekken series, she's from the Middle East, and she's supposed to invoke that stereotype. Plus, she's already a Raven Hair, Ivory Skin girl. In fact, to be honest, her skin tone doesn't really look THAT brown to me.

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KingZeal Since: Oct, 2009
Feb 20th 2014 at 9:26:13 AM •••

EDIT: My bad. Wrong place to post.

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