Theozilla
I don't believe Phil Lord ever specifically stated Hobie is 15 years old (if there is a direct source where he does say that I would love to see it). The only thing I have seen reports on what he has stated is that Hobie is "around" and/or a "little older" than Miles and Gwen's ages (which are 15 and 16-17 in Across the Spider-Verse) which coming from a guy in his late 40s can easily mean anything in the range of 16-20.
Dvandemon
Idk how this started but Pavitr was not flipping off the British Museum. He's clearly pointing behind him. If he was flipping it off it's a very awkward angle that isn't even pointing at his apparent target and doesn’t make much sense in the context of what he was doing in that scene.
Looking at the history of edits. There appears to be a disagreement regarding Gwen and the trope Ambiguous Gender Identity. To hopefully avoid an edit war let's try to discuss it here.
As far as I can tell the trope should apply.
Per the trope page: "This trope can apply for a variety of reasons: sometimes, being transgender is implied but never outright said, such as a character who's implied to have transitioned but it's never actually stated in-series or a character who displays signs of gender dysphoria without it being mentioned as such. Alternatively, a Sex Shifter, Hermaphrodite, or someone with No Biological Sex might be ambiguous if it's not clear what they identify as."
Gwen is woman, but whether she's a cisgendered woman or a transgendered woman is to my knowledge never directly addressed and the presence of a trans flag in her room can be reasonably taken as an implication that she's trans. It's equally possible to interpret her as simply supporting trans people without being trans herself, but the that simply means her gender identity is ambiguous. Which means she fits the trope by definition.
Is there any information I'm missing that would suggest otherwise?
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Continuing from the ATT on the subject, I would argue that the entry as it was most recently written fits.
Discussion has taken place here
as well. Participants of the thread support (re)addition of Ambiguous Gender Identity for Gwen on the page.
FWIW the two accounts who did the deletions were part of a sock farm. I think the entry is fine.
Since it is a fandom reaction, for me Trans Audience Interpretation already covers everything there is to cover. If the creators wanted to add subtext, I think they would have just used a trans flag instead of a trans flag with a motto, which gives me the impression of an ally rather than a member.
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... while I personally find it more likely that she's an ally than trans in terms of authorial intent, that reasoning is pretty nonsensical.
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A point I tried to make in the ATT thread is that it doesn't really matter whether or not you individually believe Gwen is trans or an ally. The conversation always seems to drift back to someone saying that some variation that they "don't think there's enough evidence to be certain that Gwen is trans". The trope under discussion does not depend on her gender identity being certain, in fact it only applies because there is uncertainty.
This is also the reason why Trans Audience Interpretation doesn't fit. Certainty is what distinguishes those two tropes from each other.
Ambiguous Gender Identity is the trope that fits for now, with the info that we are working with. And depending on what future info may bring, assuming that there is even any future info, that can easily change. Maybe the idea gets shot down by the creators or the story itself somehow, in which case Trans Audience Interpretation. Or maybe it gets confirmed somehow, in which case Adaptational Gender Identity.
Or maybe the situation never changes, which honestly seems the most likely to me.
Either way, actual certainty would work against Ambiguous Gender Identity, because then it wouldn't be ambiguous.
I personally do not have any certainty on what Gwen's gender identity is either way. I think it's worth considering the possibility given that, as a fictional character, details like this typically only exist to say something about the character, because anything the audience sees was deliberately placed. But I can't say either way with certainty, if I could then I would have put it under a different trope.
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Checked the scene, can't tell if this is true or not. I don't think it is, but either way, it's gonna need a fix.
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