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Biggby Since: Sep, 2023
Feb 7th 2024 at 1:10:39 PM •••

For tropes relating to the Alternate Self versions of the characters from the cutie re-mark, do those go under their regular character folders or do they have their own place? and if not should I make one?

Louey Since: Feb, 2020
Love777 Since: Jul, 2014
Jul 9th 2020 at 11:33:51 PM •••

Does anyone think that we should include a list of characters that appeared in the Tails of Equestria tabletop game?

I ask because it does introduce more characters that appear exclusively in the book. Ranging from the set-up characters made for the game to play as to the new creatures in the Bestiary book such as the Bookwyrm (a creature that is summoned from a scroll or book used to command.) and the Magic Books (a mysterious race of talking books)

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DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Jan 7th 2020 at 6:56:11 AM •••

I reorganized the index here yesterday, trying to break it up better so it's easier to navigate. Also made a sandbox of how the header nav could look with this new system (just remove the apostrophes)

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DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Dec 23rd 2019 at 12:09:40 PM •••

Is it necessary to include page images of what everyone looks like in The Last Problem? We don't include images of what they looked like as babies, fillies, teenagers, etc.

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DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Dec 24th 2019 at 12:27:04 PM •••

If no one objects, I'll remove them

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
May 20th 2019 at 2:04:34 PM •••

I see the Mane Six's character pages have their tropes split by category, but all other individual character pages on this wiki are split alphabetically. That's holdover from when they were among the first characters with enough to get their own page.

I want to revise those pages so the tropes are alphabetical for constancy and splitting by category is making it harder to navigate and add tropes since there's question over which category a trope would be under. Any objections?

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Griever222 Since: May, 2014
Nov 14th 2018 at 10:59:54 AM •••

In Starlight Glimmer's character page there is a Ship Tease section - the issue I think this to me comes of as shipper editing a character page:

" * Ship Tease: With Sunburst.

  • In "Uncommon Bond", she is deeply excited over his visit to Ponyville, and becomes jealous when he starts spending more time with her friends than her.
  • In the fourth issue of My Little Pony: Legends of Magic, she shows up upset about his ignoring her messages and not spending time together (in a similar vein to a girl whose boyfriend missed a date). When she hears that Sunburst is reading never-before-heard legends, she proceeds to park herself on his bed, telling him "You may proceed". The issue even ends with the two going out to dinner together.
  • In the final panel of the 2017 holiday special comic, she and Sunburst are shown standing side-by-side, gazing at each other while sharing a very sweet smile.
  • In "The Parent Map", Sunburst is nearly reduced to tears when he thinks Starlight doesn't want to go on a map mission with him, and she very quickly assures him that's not the case. The two of them also have some easy-going, affectionate contact throughout the episode.
  • There's also the fact that her Start of Darkness is being abandoned by Sunburst when he got his cutie mark. She's so devastated that she eventually becomes a psychotic cult leader."

I think this post from derpibooru thread "Headcanons you're sick of" quite well debunks the romantic view of the _Uncommon Bond_ and Starlight's motivations: https://derpibooru.org/pony/headcanons-youre-sick-of/post/4068572#post_4068572

"Well, as I discovered this thread, a headcanon I’m more, and more sick of, which seemingly a visible of people think is at least somewhat is canon, is the idea Starlight Glimmer is a yandere for Sunburst, and that the Uncommon Bond was about that, and/or that the episode confirms Starlight is in love with Sunburst

Most notably, it’s directly contradicted by Uncommon Bond itself – Starlight outright states there she is distressed as she thinks her friendship with Sunburst deteriorated as she no longer has anything in common with Sunburst, to the point everyone seemingly has more in common with him (and latter even says she would accept i Sunburst doesn;t want to be friends anymore). She pretty much states this in two heart to heart discussion with Twilight – which also debunks she is romantically and fanatically jealous, as she bleeds her heart out about this to Twilight, one of the ponies she’s supposedly sees as a romantic rival for Sunburst, and and is paranoid about her "steeling" him.

Twilight in the same episode explains also all of this, is due to the fact Starlight as usually "overdoes things", which indeed is a running theme with Starlight.

It’s also irritating people further try to argue Starlight is obsessed with Sunburst, based on the fact him getting a cutie mark, started her fall into villainy – only that after that, Starlight didn’t show no signs of being obsessed with Sunburst specifically, just the injustice she saw in that past event. I mean, if Starlight was obsessed with Sunburst, she would definitely know were he lived, something she didn’t know, until Twilight found were Sunburst lives today – and we did see in Season 5 Starlight is willing to stalk people like Twilight in season 5, if she obsessed over them (if here from revenge, of course).

That’s not even mentioning how this headcanon, literally goes against the very themes of the show, ie with Starlight in it being romantically jealous of all of her closest female friends (Trixie, Twilight and Maud). Or how her being in this headcanon jealous romantically of Twilight and Sunburst, makes her seem particularly paranoid, stupid, and ungrateful (people seem to forget Sunburst and Starlight only met again thanks to Twilight, and in canon, Starlight owes her current life basically to Twilight, and is grateful to her for it.)

Sorry, this is a bit of a wall of text, but I felt I must also explain just how wrong this particular headcanon is. I have nothing against Suburst x Starlight, it’s just this headcanon is really for me going against the themes of the show as well people essentially because of it, present Starlight as a worse character."

In this situation, I think we should delete the Ship Tease trope from Starlight page, until at least there will be more visible evidence Sunburst and Starlight have romantic feelings towards each-other. Because as of now, this doesn't different to me, than some sections from stuff on the Ho Yay page of the series.

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Jazirian333 Since: May, 2014
Nov 14th 2018 at 12:03:00 PM •••

Indeed, this really looks like some shipper edited the character page. The examples explored on derpibooru by backgroundlol, are basically the worst of the bunch, as stated there going against the ideas of the show, and that interpretation of Uncommon Bond does indeed make Starlight come as unsympathetic.

The interactions of Sunburst and Starlight from the comics, and The Parent Map also don't come of as that shippy to me - not different than many platonic interactions in the series. Especially that this describes nearly every time Sunburst and Starlight interacted more in the series or comics, as Ship Teasing them. Which is at least to me, kinda absurd.

So yeah, I agree this should be deleted / nuked.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Nov 17th 2018 at 4:24:39 PM •••

I'll cut the show's Ship Tease since it's apparently being taken out of context, the childhood thing was too young to call romantic, and their interactions never included the blushing or anything else featured in definite romantic intent. Will move to Shipping Goggles if applicable.

The comics, keep for now, they lack the context to say it's not unintentional and they have differed from the show enough to say the show not shipping them is irrelevant. Legends of Magic: the writer has intentionally shipped characters and Starlight x Sunburst interact about the same as the pair the writer admitted to shipping. The holiday special: Starlight being with Sunburst but not Trixie subsists there's something more to their friendship.

Update: leaving Ship Tease for "The Parent Map" since the cited post doesn't explain why it isn't romantic and is at least as much as some Ship Tease examples. If there's in-work context or explanation against it being romantic, cut.

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Griever222 Since: May, 2014
DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Sep 3rd 2018 at 4:06:34 AM •••

I'm pondering starting a sandbox for the races of the series. You can see the ones I've current listed here: Drake Clawfang

I'm thinking a three-point check for a race should be needed to be added:

  • The race must have more than one member to be depicted prominently, so we can properly trope the race; Zecora is a zebra, but we've never seen another prominent zebra character so we don't know what zebras are like beyond what we know of Zecora.
    • The exception will be if the race as a whole is depicted prominently, like the Buffalo or the Breezies.
  • The race must have a culture, society, or racial traits to be troped properly; donkeys are a race separate from ponies, but we have seen nothing to indicate if there is a distinct donkey culture in some fashion.
  • The race should actually be clearly a separate race from another race; physical differences in their horns aside, Mistmane and her people seem to just be unicorns with a unique culture, so they would not be here.

Under those definitions, I'm on the fence about Phoenixes, Diamond Dogs, Timberwolves, and Ursas (do they really have enough to talk about in terms of racial traits and culture?), also the Saddle Arabians (not fully clear if they're a separate equine race from ponies), and Centaurs and Gargoyles (do we have enough info from Tirek's Fiendship is Magic to talk about them much?).

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Sep 3rd 2018 at 1:32:37 PM •••

My thoughts:

  • Any races only shown as such in the expanded universe like Centaurs, Gargoyles, Deer (they're portrayed as non-sapient on the show and even in other issues of the comic) shouldn't be listed (though details from them can be added) as "Shadow Play" showed they're susceptible to decanonization.
  • Non-sapient but non-hostile, distinct races (Phoenixes) get their own section.
  • Diamond Dogs have shown just enough culture (separate from any other, they build their own items) to be moved from Dangerous Creatures.
  • Saddle Arabians, we've only seen one (Hoo'far) developed enough to count as a character and nothing of their culture, or if there is enough to call them separate from ponies.
  • Would humans from "Equestria Girls" go under this list or should they go under Characters.My Little Pony Equestria Girls?

Do you have any objections or reservations about others editing your sandbox?

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Sep 3rd 2018 at 1:58:26 PM •••

Not at all, go ahead and edit away.

Good points on all accounts, though not sure what you mean about "details for them can be added" if those races aren't listed. Humans, hm, not sure. Talking about them is really talking about the Eq G world as a whole, which has a lot of "its just like the normal human world" to it.

Theriocephalus Since: Aug, 2014
Sep 3rd 2018 at 1:59:44 PM •••

Thoughts of my own:

  • I generally agree with Ferot_Dreadnaught regarding the issues with expanded universe species, and with perhaps giving prominent "magical animal" species their own section in the page.
  • I would personally prefer to keep the timberwolves and ursas in Friendship Is Magic: Dangerous Creatures, since that's what they're used as in the show — monsters, threats and antagonists. I can imagine the distinction between this proposed page and Dangerous Creatures as being like that between, say, Friendship Is Magic: Jerks and Bullies and the one-shot and supporting characters pages. This is also why I would prefer to keep the changelings where they are in the Redeemed Villains page, although I'm open to being talked around.
  • Do we have enough on the diamond dogs to give them a species treatment as a whole? Strictly speaking, we only saw the three of them — I'm not sure how easily we can tell what's inherent to their culture or species, what's peculiar to those three and what may be normal for them as a whole but the ones we saw didn't do. Also, the diamond dogs are in Friendship Is Magic: Jerks and Bullies at the moment.
  • However, a possibility might be trying to see if it's possible to separate characters tropes and species tropes for at least some groups — to see if it's possible to treat the individuals and their species as separate entities.
  • One last thing: since I'm assuming that creating this page will involve a large-scale transplant of most of the current entries in the Friendship Is Magic: Background Ponies – Others page (I can't seem to get to the sandbox page, so I don't know for certain), what should be done about the ones left over? Would there be enough for a page to stand on its own, or should we just move the topmost folder and the entries for individuals and small groups to the other two background ponies pages?

Theriocephalus Since: Aug, 2014
Sep 3rd 2018 at 2:08:47 PM •••

Never mind the issues with getting to the sandbox, I got there after some tampering with the url. Not sure what was up.

Should I just copy-paste the images, debut episodes, and descriptions for the currently empty folders from Friendship Is Magic: Background Ponies – Others?

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Sep 3rd 2018 at 2:12:22 PM •••

I can see a "Magical animals" section for semi-sapient species like Phoenixes.

I do have to say the changelings should be moved here, though. They are a race, even if one of redeemed antagonists, and they have individual members who have shown their own personalities and character.

For the Background Ponies page, Cattle I guess can be moved if a couple of them talked in an episode, but not sure. Sheep and Goats no.

Theriocephalus Since: Aug, 2014
Sep 3rd 2018 at 2:24:39 PM •••

[[qouteblock]]For the Background Ponies page, Cattle I guess can be moved if a couple of them talked in an episode, but not sure. Sheep and Goats no.[[/qouteblock]] For what it's worth, the cows have talked in every episode they showed up in... which is just the two of them, granted.

A thought about the dragons: if we're moving their main folder to a new page, should we make separate folders for the ones from "Dragonshy" and "Owl's Well", specifically, under Dangerous Creatures?

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Sep 4th 2018 at 8:11:57 PM •••

One race slipped my mind - the Crystal Ponies. On the one hand they're a variant of ponies, but they're repeatedly referred to as special from the normal three kinds, and have a distinct appearance and type of magic.

Theriocephalus Since: Aug, 2014
Sep 8th 2018 at 2:54:25 PM •••

I was just about to ask about that, actually. I think that they're distinct enough from other ponies to be treated as their own pony race.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Sep 9th 2018 at 7:44:22 PM •••

So do we think this is ready to move to the mainspace?

bweb Since: Dec, 2009
Apr 16th 2018 at 9:55:13 PM •••

As Starlight Glimmer has been moved to Mane Characters, when her family is added, would they go in "Mane Family Members" or "Supporting Cast Other Locations"? And what of Sunburst's family? Both are to be introduced in the upcoming "The Parent Map."

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Apr 16th 2018 at 10:07:41 PM •••

I'd say Starlight's parents go under "Mane Family Members" and Sunburst's under "One-Shots". How the episode plays out might change things.

Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Apr 18th 2018 at 2:07:13 PM •••

Starlight's family goes under Mane. Sunburst's family goes under One Shots until they appear in another future episode, in which case they'll be moved to "Supporting Cast - Other Locations"

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Mar 24th 2018 at 12:03:33 PM •••

Where do the Students of the new Friendship School go. Friendship Is Magic: Supporting Cast – Ponyville or Friendship Is Magic: Supporting Cast – Other Locations? Given that we will be seeing a lot of then throughout the season, is it worth giving them their own page?

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AkoSiKuya23 Since: Sep, 2009
Mar 24th 2018 at 12:22:54 PM •••

Based on the synopsis of all the episodes in the season, it's safe to assume they will have a sizeable role everything points to them being at least on the level of Spike, the CMC, and Starlight. The characters just within the first two episodes seem to generate quite a bit of tropes too and it'll only grow within the season. I say they should get their own page.

KingLyger (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Mar 24th 2018 at 3:01:02 PM •••

I agree with the two above posters. The friendship school students should have their own page.

The fantasy RPG videos that play in my head are amazing.
LadyErinNY Since: Sep, 2014
Mar 24th 2018 at 3:24:03 PM •••

First, of all, I'm sorry that I didn't check that there was already a discusion. But there seems to be two pages for the students and they are also in the one shot characters page.

KingLyger (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Mar 24th 2018 at 3:26:24 PM •••

I suggest everything be condensed into the page that's linked in the index at the moment, with everything from the one-shots page moved there. Based on the synopses of other episodes, as an above poster mentioned, they will be relevant to more than one plot this season, including the season finale.

Edited by KingLyger The fantasy RPG videos that play in my head are amazing.
LadyErinNY Since: Sep, 2014
Mar 24th 2018 at 3:29:08 PM •••

Wow, I need to stop leaping before looking. I'm sorry. Should I undelete it?

KingLyger (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Mar 24th 2018 at 3:31:18 PM •••

I would suggest leaving the characters deleted from the "One-Shots" page and "The Student Six" page, and expanding on the "School of Friendship" character page.

I say this because while they may be important to Season 8, they haven't qualified as Main Characters just yet.

Edited by KingLyger The fantasy RPG videos that play in my head are amazing.
Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Sep 12th 2017 at 11:11:56 AM •••

Cross-posting from here. So far Option 3 seems to be the most popular one.


So, I was browsing the various MLP pages here, and once I reached the Characters page I realized something:

It's probably about time to move Starlight Glimmer from the "Supporting Characters" to the "Main Characters" section.

The problem is that I really don't like the way it looks to just put Starlight on the list with the rest of the characters. Even though Starlight is part of the main cast, she's not part of the Mane 6. There's a very obvious distinction the show tries to make between Starlight and everyone else (she's barely even interacted with any of them besides Twilight and Spike). You could put her in her own section, but a section with only one character just looks... wrong.

But on the other hand, Starlight is actually very similar to Spike. Both are part of the main cast without being part of the Mane 6, both interact primarily with Twilight and each other, and they both seem to be forming the same group of friends (see Thorax and Ember). So lumping those two together might work.

So, with that in mind, there are a few ways to format this:

Option 1: Do nothing. Keep Starlight in the Supporting Characters section.

Option 2: Simply add Starlight beneath Fluttershy in the "Mane Cast" section.

Option 3: Move Spike and Starlight out of the "Mane 6" but keep them in the "Main Cast", which acknowledges that the two are part of the Mane 6's story and unrelated to the CMC story. Visual.

Option 4: Have the "Mane 6", "Cutie Mark Crusaders" and whatever the Spike/Starlight section is all be on an equal level. Visual. Having the three Crusaders have their own pages is optional, but it'd be nice if all the main characters had individual pages.

I feel like I've put too much thought into what ought to be a simple matter, but I find it surprisingly difficult to think of a way to include her that looks good.

Any thoughts?

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Sep 15th 2017 at 9:10:31 AM •••

General consensus on forum thread seems to be Option 3. I asked again here, and no one said they were against it. It's been a few days and no one's replied here. I'm going to go ahead and make the change, but I'm still up for a debate if anyone ends up disagreeing.

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TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Sep 15th 2017 at 2:10:06 PM •••

Having characters who've got main character level focus in one place sounds good. No objections for moving Starlight in the main cast slot with Spike.

However, most currently hidden trope entries mentioning Starlight are probably going to have to be adjusted a little before they are un-hidden, since most of those seem to refer to Starlight as one of the Mane Six as opposed to being a supporting/main character hybrid or such like Spike is, as this thread already made a point that even the show makes a distiction between Starlight and the Mane 6.

TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Sep 15th 2017 at 3:11:11 PM •••

While we are on the whole topic of sections looking odd having only one character in them, does this change affect Sunset Shimmer's page?

Her situation is similar in that it can be said that she most definitely is a main character in her own story, without being part of the 'Mane Six' and that the only other Main Characters she interacts with are Twilight and Spike (and also Starlight too ofcourse) and it's actually more accentuated than Starlight's situation.

But the biggest "but" that I can think of is that she's a spin-off exclusive and for now her link to the main show is that Twilight and Starlight (and Spike to some extent) have had a central role in that series too.

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Sep 15th 2017 at 4:21:38 PM •••

I'm seconding that last sentence. By far the biggest strike against Sunset is that the show has never acknowledged her existence.

She's correctly placed as a main character on the Characters.My Little Pony Equestria Girls page, but since this is the FiM page it'd be odd to label her as a main character considering she potentially might not even exist in the show universe.

TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Sep 15th 2017 at 5:11:50 PM •••

Meghan McCarthy explained them as canon to the show at the time in the sense that while Equestria Girls events don't directly affect the show, she made it a point to mention that Twilight did have an experience that she learned from, and that Sunset exists within the FiM continuity/universe, but I have no idea if the current directors have recently retconed that bit as a different continuity or not (non-plot relevant Flash Sentry cameos notwithstanding).

But I understand the point about Sunset not having directly made an appearance on the show yet.

So, using the options that were suggestested for Starlight as a basis (excluding option #2) I can come up with atleast three ways to go about this.

1) Leave everything as is and only move Starlight.

2a) Put Sunset in the "Others" section with Spike and Starlight as "Main Characters that are not Mane Six",* but otherwise leave Equestria Girls and Mane Cast pages the way they are now, or...

2b) Put Sunset in the "Others" section and include tropes from Equestria Girls events on the Mane Cast page only if they have any kind of two/three way relation between Sunset, Twilight, Starlight or Spike.

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Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Sep 15th 2017 at 5:55:31 PM •••

Personally, I'm on the side of "Equestria Girls isn't technically part of the show, so it shouldn't be mixed up with the show-specific pages", but I'd be willing to change my mind if enough people think otherwise.

TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Sep 16th 2017 at 5:17:21 AM •••

I guess we should to do this like before and put it to a vote on that same thread and leave it there for a few days after the weekend (since episode discussion is probably going to drown out everything else at first) to get an idea what everyone else thinks and make the final decision based on that.

Edit: Here is the link.

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Heatex77 Since: Feb, 2016
Jun 28th 2017 at 1:13:19 AM •••

should Daybreaker be added as a character or is she to minor of a villain to count? if so would she be placed under main villains or a sub category under Celestia and if there should Nightmare moon be moved there too?

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Spanks Since: Jan, 2015
Apr 14th 2016 at 5:58:29 PM •••

So if Starlight Glimmer isn't a Mane character, why does she get her own character page instead of being in one of the Redeemed Antagonist folders?

Since we're not sure if Starlight is Mane, but sure she's a redeemed antagonist, then we should keep it there.

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DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Apr 17th 2016 at 5:11:37 AM •••

Well, she was listed as a mane character, but certain people claimed it's too early to tell.

At this point she has two episodes focused on her coming up, is living with Twilight as her pupil, and has been added to the group shot in the opening credits. I don't know what more it's going to take.

TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Jun 4th 2016 at 4:11:00 PM •••

She'd need much more appearances outside of her own focus episodes and season openers or finales. I'm talking about either minor speaking roles, glimpses in the background or really just anything at all that acknowledges she exists outside her own episodes.

Since so far all of her appearancess have required Twilight to also to tag along as a central character, to me Starlight is starting to feel much closer to being Twilight's satellite than even Spike does.

Right now the deal with her isn't that different from what Discord's got going for himself - just that she's going to have the "B story" spotlight for this season's premiere and (I think) finale.

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TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Aug 13th 2016 at 7:39:39 AM •••

She seems to be a recurring character and not part of the main cast per Word of God:

https://twitter.com/TheBiggestJim/status/762741485531897856

So any arrangements we should do with her page/folder now? Move her back inside the redeemed antagonists page?

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Mar 15th 2017 at 4:39:19 AM •••

I'd like to restart this conversation because I think it's still appropriate to give Starlight her own page. While she's not part of the Mane Six she is a prominent recurring character above the normal supporting cast like the Wonderbolts and princesses. Further, if Sunset is going to keep her own page, I see no reason Starlight can't as well, and her profile is large enough to warrant the split anyway.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Mar 17th 2017 at 11:57:25 AM •••

Since it seems the length of Sunset's profile was the reason she was split off, I decided to check some things. I went to the page sources and copied everything into Word to see how long they each are.

The Mane Six plus Spike and Sunset, their pages range in the 14-19 range, with one of them being 10 (it was Spike, I believe). Twilight is the major outlier at 30 pages, but that's to be expected. Starlight is around 19 pages. That means her profile is actually a little longer than some of the Mane Six and way longer than Spike's, and just as long as Sunset's.

So based on the sheer length of it, yes, Starlight should have her own page.

TerasOde Since: Oct, 2012
Mar 19th 2017 at 6:31:46 PM •••

Also went to check the page lengths using the same method and Starlight actually got 22 pages when I tested it (for reference Sunset got 26). A bit nitpicky, but I'd also like to point out that while Sunset's page lenght was the main spoken reason for giving her her own character page, at that point in time Sunset was also clearly shown be a main character in her own spin-off series, meaning her status was less ambiguous compared to Starlight, who was given a page because some fans saw her as a mane character after Season 5 ended, but that status was denied by the staff during season 6.

But I agree that it's lenght should be enough to warrant Starlight her own page now, especially since (at least initially) it seems the next season she's going to have atleast the same amouth of solo focus as Season 6 ultimately gave her, if the two upcoming premiere episodes are anything to go by.

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Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Jan 28th 2016 at 4:55:35 PM •••

We now have Princess Cadance and Shining Armor's foal. How do we handle the spoilers? Do we wait before adding anything? If so, how long? Can we add stuff if it's commented out for now?

Should we put them under The Princesses or Mane Family Members (I'm for the latter since they're to young to have real authority)?

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Jan 20th 2016 at 11:32:05 AM •••

Here is the latest cast poster, should we add this image to the page, replace one or both of our current ones, or what?

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DDRMASTERM Since: Apr, 2013
Jan 21st 2016 at 9:37:40 AM •••

We probably should add it, but take the question here first.

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AkoSiKuya23 Since: Sep, 2009
Nov 28th 2015 at 11:12:49 AM •••

Are we even completely sure Starlight is gonna be part of the Mane Cast? I'd actually place her under Redeemed Antagonists until we get further word.

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bluwale824 Since: Aug, 2009
Nov 28th 2015 at 12:55:46 PM •••

I agree. While it is possible for Starlight to be Mane Cast, we don't know if she's going to be main, recurring or guest. Redeemed Antagonists seems best for right now.

Unknownlight Since: Aug, 2009
Nov 28th 2015 at 9:09:51 PM •••

Right. It's possible that Starlight really is a Sunset Shimmer expy and will join the main cast in Season 6, but we don't know that yet. More likely, she'll be like Discord—she'll have focus episodes, but she'll still be part of the secondary cast.

Either way, for now she should be in Redeemed Antagonists.

DDRMASTERM Since: Apr, 2013
Nov 29th 2015 at 8:48:31 AM •••

I took care of it. Though I did leave the previous page and its references commented out in case that they prove to be necessary, I.E., she is confirmed to be a mane character next season.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Jun 20th 2015 at 3:54:26 PM •••

Listing Derpy and the other characters from Slice of Life as one-shot characters is silly, they're recurring background characters and have been since Season 1, just because it was their first time talking doesn't mean they're one-shot characters. Heck, Derpy, Lyra and Bon Bon have spoken in previous episodes, so that argument doesn't even work. We should move them back.

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trulymadmoves Since: Apr, 2013
Aug 27th 2015 at 9:11:31 PM •••

I agree with this. What if the "other Mane Six" in Slice of Life and the trio from Amending Fences got their own page - an Ascended Extra character page?

trulymadmoves Since: Apr, 2013
Jun 4th 2015 at 6:54:36 AM •••

I must ask: why does Sheriff Silverstar count as recurring but Sapphire Shores is listed as a one-shot? How is Sapphire's appearance in a "A Dog and Pony Show" a background appearance, while the sheriff in "Over a Barrel" qualifies as plot relevant?

I can see how Sapphire Shores' first appearance could qualify as a Spear Carrier, but, well, I disagree, she had a very detailed scene that was very much plot relevant. Whereas the Sheriff's first appearance? Living Prop. So, obviously this needs to be discussed before I up and do it, but I think that logic dictates that these two characters should be on the same page... if not switch places.

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Apr 24th 2015 at 3:46:13 PM •••

Now that Nightmare Moons story in the comics is out, I intend to update her profile with its various happenings. The question is should her Nightmare Rarity incarnation be listed under her Major Villains entry (comics imply they are the same being, Depending on the Writer explaining the discrepancies between this and the shows portrayal), or give Nightmare Rarity her own entry in the Expanded Universe section?

Ferot_Dreadnaught Since: Mar, 2015
Apr 10th 2015 at 6:44:10 PM •••

Princess Amore is currently both the other characters and expanded universe sections, which would fit her better? I nominate EU due to her not appearing or being referenced in the show, any objections?

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DeathsApprentice Since: Aug, 2011
Apr 10th 2015 at 9:13:36 PM •••

I think her being in the EU section works.

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pvsage Since: Mar, 2013
Mar 10th 2015 at 2:28:18 AM •••

Why haven't we made Self-Demonstrating articles for all the mane 6 mares? I mean, sure, Rainbow Dash was a gimme right out of the gate with her massive ego, but I'm pretty sure we have enough characterization on all the others to come up with convincingly-voiced articles.

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SeptimusHeap MOD (Edited uphill both ways)
Mar 10th 2015 at 3:34:38 AM •••

Because Self Demo articles are for the most part lame and boring.

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NTG Since: Aug, 2014
Aug 23rd 2014 at 7:18:23 AM •••

Let’s talk about Vinyl Scratch/ DJ Pon-3. She was the main character in the first Rainbow Rocks Short and therefore no longer belongs into the Background Pony category. So where else should we put her? I would suggest Expanded Universe but One-Shots or Supporting Casts may fit as well.

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pvsage Since: Mar, 2013
Mar 10th 2015 at 2:19:46 AM •••

Aside from Equestrian Twilight Sparkle and Spike, all the characters in the CHS universe are distinct from their Equestrian counterparts. DJ P0n-3 in the Equestria Girls films can become an Ascended Extra while her Equestrian counterpart remains a background pony. (By the way, I think of the character as "Vinyl Scratch", but from the Rainbow Rocks commentary it's clear that the showrunners prefer to call her "DJ Pone-Three".)

EDIT: From the Season 5 previews, it looks like Equestrian DJ P0n-3 will also become an Ascended Extra. We can jump off that bridge when we get to it.

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ThMole Since: Mar, 2011
Jan 18th 2014 at 10:26:30 PM •••

As of "Rainbow Falls" Bulk Biceps seems to be an Ascended Extra. Is there anyone else who thinks he should be on the Supporting Cast page instead of the One Shots page?

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CharginChuck Since: Jan, 2011
May 6th 2014 at 8:53:15 AM •••

I support this. In fact, I actually came here to propose the exact same thing.

PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Mar 22nd 2014 at 2:57:32 PM •••

I could have sworn that we had an entry for Sapphire Shores somewhere... Does anyone know where she's gone to? She should be in the Supporting Characters page now.

SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
Mar 26th 2011 at 5:31:20 PM •••

Would the buffalo chieftain count as an antagonist or a minor character?

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DeathCloud Since: Apr, 2009
Mar 27th 2011 at 5:11:08 AM •••

Definitely not antaginist, because practicly heroes were on both sides (SW quote). And he doesn't fit to that Jerkass group.

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
Apr 17th 2011 at 9:49:47 AM •••

He could definately fit as a minor charactor.

PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Mar 22nd 2014 at 2:56:12 PM •••

ignore this. I clicked the wrong button.

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MiVaTh MiVaTh Since: Nov, 2010
MiVaTh
Mar 19th 2014 at 2:30:34 PM •••

The comics are having a mirror universe arc. Should we stick the alt-verse character tropes on their normal counterparts' pages, or create a subfolder in expanded universe characters?

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Mar 22nd 2014 at 2:53:28 PM •••

They only appear in an expanded universe right? subfolder in expanded universe it is.

DrakeClawfang Since: Apr, 2010
Feb 2nd 2014 at 10:04:49 PM •••

If Derpy continues to make more prominent appearances in Season 4 like she did in Pinkie Pride, perhaps she should be moved to Supporting Cast or Background Ponies-Special Ponies? She's clearly growing out of the "random background pony" mold even in-universe, fandom aside.

Codafett Knows-Many-Things Since: Dec, 2013
Knows-Many-Things
Dec 2nd 2013 at 10:15:01 AM •••

Is there really any justification for background characters and inanimate objects to have pages? We're talking fanon here.

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Acebrock He/Him Since: Dec, 2009
He/Him
Jun 14th 2013 at 9:14:29 PM •••

Where would Royal Ribbon go? I notice she doesn't have any entries mentioning her at all

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Jun 25th 2013 at 8:16:04 PM •••

We don't have entries for a lot of the recurring high society background ponies. We have the Master Pony (who I consider to be part of that high society group of BG ponies) under Common Background Ponies, so maybe put her there under female unicorns?

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ThMole Since: Mar, 2011
May 6th 2013 at 11:14:58 AM •••

Barking Mad/Screwloose doesn't have an entry anywhere?

I'd like to fix that. I think she belongs on the Friendship Is Magic-One Shots page. Is there a better place, or is that pretty much the right list?

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
May 6th 2013 at 4:32:15 PM •••

One Shots are for single-episode characters that played an important role in that episode. Screwloose appeared for one throwaway gag and a single background appearance.

That's obviously not one shot material. She goes to special background characters.

ThMole Since: Mar, 2011
May 6th 2013 at 11:57:06 PM •••

So she's a One Shot Extra, then (as opposed to a Recurring Extra)?

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ThMole Since: Mar, 2011
May 10th 2013 at 2:07:57 PM •••

Okay, done. Now, who knows where to get a decent picture of the character and how to add it?

NiceTryGuy Since: Nov, 2010
Dec 13th 2012 at 11:49:11 AM •••

Since “Wonderbolt Academy“ is already available on You-Tube it’s only a matter of time before someone makes an entry for Lightning Dust. So let’s clear this up in advance: Should she be placed under Antagonists or One-Shots?

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Kitch Since: Jun, 2011
Dec 16th 2012 at 6:39:30 AM •••

Already there, under "Ordinary Jerks and Bullies", which is where she should be. We probably need a group, either in Background Ponies or Supporting Characters, for the Wonderbolts training squad. Move Snowflake ("Roid Rage"/"Mr. McLargeHuge") there, add Thunderlane (haven't caught sight of him anywhere) and the others.

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NiceTryGuy Since: Nov, 2010
Dec 18th 2012 at 12:18:32 PM •••

There’s no need for an extra group. None of the squad member had more than a few lines of dialogue, none of them played an important role and some of them appeared in the background of other episodes. So they are still average background ponies and don’t need a separate entry.

Calnos The Jossed Since: May, 2011
The Jossed
Aug 17th 2012 at 3:27:12 PM •••

I think we need to rename/rearrange a few of the character pages. When this page was locked down due to vandalism, the folders were turned into pages. We've argued back and forth what counts as a "Minor Character" or "Background Pony", "Celebronies" is a little ambiguous. And we just got a notice that the Background Pony page is too long.

Here's my idea for new pages in Bold.

The Mane Cast

The Royal Family - Stop restricting the page to just Princesses, though for now it might just move Prince Blueblood here

Mane Family Members

Supporting Cast - Recurring Supporting Cast members like Cheerilee & Zecora, and the Wonderbolts

Children - Cutie Mark Crusaders plus some of the supporting children characters like Snips & Snails

One Episode Characters - The One Shots section from "Minor Characters", possibly split into multiple pages by season

Antagonists

Animal Companions

Background Ponies - This page is apparently too long now. I'd like to see if we can cut content from it or rearrange it first before splitting it.

Toyline Exclusive - Characters that only appear in the toyline. We have quite a large folder in "Canon Foreigners"

Miscellaneous - Same as "Canon Foreigners" minus the toy characters. Honestly I think we've been misusing the term "Canon Foreigner", as the show lacks a real Expanded Universe (until the IDW comic comes out). If the IDW comic introduces actual characters exclusive to comic we might make a page for them.

Thoughts and suggestions?

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ArfArkFace Since: Dec, 2010
Aug 17th 2012 at 6:26:31 PM •••

  • I believe that we should pick better page titles for some of the pages but that's just my opinion.
    • We shouldn't use human terminology for foals so as to stay with the pony-speak naming theme.
    • The "One Episode Characters" page should be named as "One Shot Characters" instead so that tropers could easily recognize what the page is for.
  • "Animal Companions" should be merged with the "Non-Ponies" folder so that we could have a page dedicated to non-pony characters.
  • Any character or group that fits to more than one character category should have a redirect link section in those other pages.
  • I agree. We should think and plan about the background ponies page first before splitting it up. (Go here if some of you are interested in participating in the discussion.)
  • Other than these, I support this configuration.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Aug 17th 2012 at 9:48:18 PM •••

...I didn't know there was actually a page called One-Shot Character. Either way, the name for new CMC page doesn't have to be "Children", the point is its a little silly to have a page restricted to three characters. Since the CMC seem to have their own little cast of side characters (we could even move Diamond Tiara & Silver Spoon there, since they only ever bother the CMC and not the Mane Six like other Antagonists), it seems like a good idea to expand it.

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ArfArkFace Since: Dec, 2010
Aug 18th 2012 at 12:08:34 AM •••

Yeah, the Cutie Mark Crusaders doesn't seem that they're gonna be having new members anytime soon so...

What do we call this page then? Young Ponies? Foals? The School Cast? We can't use "Fillies" since not all of them (but most of them) are female. We can't use "Kids" either because that's just the same as "Children". "Colts and Fillies" and vice versa is a just longer version of "Foal". It has to be something simple and concise...

Wait, I got a an Idea. Maybe this would help us. Why don't we use a Crowners page? It's like TVTrope's community voting/poll system. Let the people decide what's best and such... or at least base our decision(s) with their votes. Or maybe not. What do you think?

I haven't really tried something like this one yet and this seems like a perfect opportunity.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Aug 18th 2012 at 9:20:51 PM •••

Fillies and Colts is probably fine, it gets the point across. Technically, I think, "Foal" is a baby horse/pony (like the Cake Twins). "Cheerliee's Students" could work if we want to keep it focused on the school ponies.

There is one slight problem I've come across - where do we put the "Historical" and "Fictional" characters from the Celebronies page? Daring Do and Ahuizotl could go on the One-Shot Character page. Most of the "historical" characters have only appeared as the Mane Six dressed up as them in one episode, though Star Swirl is mentioned in multiple episodes. I wouldn't call him a Supporting Cast member...does he count as a Background Pony? Should we just make a separate page for Historical characters?

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ArfArkFace Since: Dec, 2010
Aug 18th 2012 at 10:10:23 PM •••

Nah, they couldn't be considered background ponies because they play a major role in the setting. Albeit "indirectly".

Well, we could put them in the Miscellaneous page (since they don't fit in any existing category) and have a section dedicated to them (fictional characters and historical figures) there. At least until we could figure out where to put them.

If we are going to do that then I think that "Miscellaneous" will no longer be a valid page title since these guys are far from miscellaneous. "Others" would be a much more versatile title as it implies that it contains characters that does not fit in any of the other character categories regardless of importance or significance but are still official material nonetheless. It would also serve as a placeholder page for future new upcoming characters that does not have an immediately obvious category.

Or we could make a sub-page for them but that's a bit too much since there's not many of them and would present issues similar to "Celebronies".

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Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Aug 20th 2012 at 10:41:46 PM •••

"Foals" should work; Cheerilee's school paper is called the Foal Free Press, so it seems to be the term for fillies and colts.

Calnos Since: May, 2011
Aug 21st 2012 at 11:48:08 AM •••

Alright then, how about this for new pages.

The Royal Family - The Princesses, plus Blueblood & the Royal Guards
Supporting Cast - Recurring supporting characters
Foal Cast - Cutie Mark Crusaders plus other supporting children characters
One Shot Characters - Characters that have only played a supporting role in one episode, possible cameos in other episodes (like in the case of Photo Finish).
Animal Characters - Mane Cast pets plus other non-ponies
Toyline Exclusive - Exactly What It Says on the Tin
Miscellaneous - Same as "Canon Foreigners" minus the toy characters. May put the Historical characters here if we don't make a separate page for them, since they never actually appear in the flesh.

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Aug 21st 2012 at 3:17:04 PM •••

I actually dislike how some of those groupings are listed:

1. Prince Blueblood should not be listed among the Princesses. According to Lauren Faust, he wasn't even supposed to be a prince and was unrelated to them. He's apparently supposed to be 52 times removed from the princesses: That is hardly what I'd call part of the royal family (the only reason why he would call himself a prince would be that he's that self-absorbed if anything).

The Princess page should really be reserved for the actual Princesses (Winged Unicorns that have deity-like power in this series).

If anything, Prince Blueblood is a One Shot Character through and through.

2. Lumping all the younger cast members onto one page is a terrible idea. It's like lumping the mane characters in with characters like Cheerilee, Lyra Heartstrings and Derpy because they're all mares in the same general age group. It's been made quite obvious that the CMC are main characters (actually delivering Aesops of the episode for example). A page based on character's ages is just as arbitrary as one based on celebrity status.

3. Lumping the mane character's pets in with other non-pony characters is also a terrible idea: Just like the CMC, the pets all have a clear thing in common. They don't talk, but serve as foils for their owners plus highlighting another aspect of their owner's personality. They are minor characters.

The Non-pony characters on the other hand really are on the same level as the background and one-shot characters. If anything their gags are pretty much the same as the Flintstones gag of the animal/appliances delivering the "It's a Living" line.

Also, I also want to avoid someone deciding to place characters like Spike or Zecora on the page (I've had arguments over whether Spike belongs in the Animal Companions page or not, despite the fact that he is a main character).

All in all, if it were up to me, the character listings should solely be about how important to the narrative they are. Obvious cast herds like the Princesses, CMC and pets should remain as they are.

Here's how I'd list them:

Main Characters

  • Mane Characters: The Mane 6 + Spike (No change)
  • The Cutie Mark Crusaders: Applebloom, Sweetie Belle and Scootaloo (No change)

Supporting Characters

  • The Princesses: Celestia, Luna and Cadance (No change)
  • Supporting Cast: reoccurring characters who play important roles in at least 2 episodes (Combines minor characters and some Celebronies).
  • Mane Character's Family (No change)
  • Antagonists (No change)
  • Animal Companions: The main character's pets (the other animals such as Fluttershy's animal friends and the pigs on Sweet Apple Acres go to the "Non-ponies" section in Background Characters)

Minor Characters

  • One Shot characters: Characters that only appear in one episode but play an important role in at least one scene (This includes One Shot characters, some Celebronies and a few "Special Ponies" in the background page.)
  • Background Characters: These characters (Both Ponies and Non-Ponies) do not play an important role. They're either crowd fillers or used as a one time joke (usually a non-speaking role).

Non-Show Characters

  • Canon Foreigners: Characters that only appear in out-of-show media (regardless of how important to the plot they are)
  • Toy Exclusive Characters: Characters that only appear in the toyline.

EDIT: kept the Mane Family Members page.

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ArfArkFace Since: Dec, 2010
Aug 22nd 2012 at 4:46:11 AM •••

The Family page is pretty large. I do not think it would be wise to merge it with another another page.

After all, that is the reason why we were forced to split the background ponies page in the first place.

We must mind the 500,000 character limit lest we incur the moderators' attention once again.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Sep 15th 2012 at 9:14:19 PM •••

I've gone ahead and split Minor Characters into Supporting Cast and One Shots. The original page is in tact just in case. I've also made the toyline exclusive page.

I've decided to leave the Princesses, CMC, and Celebronies pages alone for now since we didn't seem to come to a concusses on it. I still think keeping a page restricted to three characters is tad silly and waste of good space, but I can understand keeping those two pages the way they are, and we still didn't figure out what to do with "historical" characters. Maybe its for the best to keep the Celebronies page for now.

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NiceTryGuy Since: Nov, 2010
Sep 18th 2012 at 9:09:46 AM •••

I don’t think that we need a Celebronies page. It only makes it more confusing to figure out in which category certain characters belong. Instead we could make a Historical & Fictional Characters page and put the other Characters to the One Shots and the Supporting Cast.

Your thoughts?

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NiceTryGuy Since: Nov, 2010
Sep 21st 2012 at 2:18:23 PM •••

Alright I changed a few things:

  • Renamed Celebronies into Historical & Fictional Characters.
  • Moved Hoity Toity, Photo Finish, Prince Blueblood, the MMDW, Fancypants and Iron Will to the One Shots.
  • Moved the Wonderbolts to the Supporting Cast (not all of them are Recurring Charaters but I wanted to keep them together)
  • Moved Sapphire Shores to the Special Background Ponies. This is one is probably a bit controversial but according to the notes at the One Shots pages, she’s seems to be aSpear Carrier that doesn’t plays a larger role in the plot of that Episode.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Sep 23rd 2012 at 6:48:13 PM •••

An....Other Characters page... why didn't I think of that??

Nicetryguy, you're a genius!

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NiceTryGuy Since: Nov, 2010
Sep 24th 2012 at 3:31:43 PM •••

Sorry to disappoint you but that wasn't me. I only changed the things I mentioned in my post above and added the notes. The Other Characters page was created by someone else.

TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
Aug 5th 2012 at 7:05:30 AM •••

I think that it might be best if we just leave the current images alone. Even if the new poster is official, it's not a very high res image, at least yet, and we already have a season two image. Two images are already overdoing it, and the last thing we need is three.

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Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Aug 5th 2012 at 1:20:38 PM •••

We should probably switch to the official poster once an official image of it is released (like they've done with most of the previous posters).

TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
Aug 5th 2012 at 6:24:38 PM •••

That's probably the best idea. For now, though, using scans isn't a good idea.

TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
Aug 11th 2012 at 9:22:02 AM •••

Aaaand we're using a scan version anyway? Why? It looks godawful at its current resize.

Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Aug 11th 2012 at 1:02:12 PM •••

Here's the non-scan version of it.

On a related note, Characters.Friendship Is Magic-Antagonists is also using a scan; the non-scan version of that one is available here.

(EDIT: Replaced lower-quality links in this post with higher-quality links)

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WaxingName Since: Oct, 2010
Feb 27th 2012 at 2:02:42 PM •••

Just so everypony knows, I'm going to start listing debut episodes for every character. I won't count the intro as an debut.

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WaxingName Since: Oct, 2010
Feb 28th 2012 at 11:31:00 AM •••

Well, I'm done. Hopefully as more characters come in, others will list the debut also.

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excel5000 Since: Aug, 2011
Feb 11th 2012 at 11:23:56 PM •••

This troper once listed Brian Drummond as the voice of Mr. Carrot Cake in the Minor Characters section of the Character page, only to find that it's been removed. I was going to put it back up, but is worried that it just might get taken down again. Was there any reason it was taken down? The only reason that this troper can think of is that maybe Brian isn't the actual voice actor, and the real voice actor hasn't been confirmed yet. I got my source from IMDB, and that site is not always trustworthy.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Feb 12th 2012 at 3:35:46 PM •••

Yeah, IMDB isn't a reliable source and shouldn't count as confirmation. For a long time they had Tabitha St Germain as the voice of Zecora, which Word of Pinkie's VA said that's not true.

Until we hear from Word of God, Mr. Cake's VA is a mystery.

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Calnos The Jossed Since: May, 2011
The Jossed
Feb 8th 2012 at 3:21:56 PM •••

I wanted to get people's opinion on this, but does anyone thing character pages might benefit from some renaming?

Every now and then we get some confusion on the difference between a "Minor Character" and a "Background Pony", and we've moved characters back and forth. I'd like to hear some ideas on how to end said confusion.

The Minor Characters page should be for Supporting Cast that doesn't fit into Mane Family Members, Celebronies, Antagontists, etc. I think it wouldn't hurt to actually rename it to something like "Supporting Cast", where as Background Ponies aren't part of the SC and just Recurring Extras or One-Scene Wonder characters.

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DeathCloud Wish granter Since: Apr, 2009
Wish granter
Mar 27th 2011 at 5:25:48 AM •••

Derpy Hooves/Ditzy Doo

It's not confirmed that they are same character. MLPFIM Wiki have them as seperate characterts.

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Jan 26th 2012 at 9:28:57 AM •••

Should the stallion design that Big Mac has still count as Non-Standard Character Design? NSCD is when one or two characters have an odd, out of place design, but at least five named characters, along with Celestia's guards and a few extras have the same design.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Jan 28th 2012 at 12:35:31 PM •••

Yeah, its used for all the "large stallions" now. If anything we can just refer to it as the "Big Mac Build" instead of listing all the ponies that use it.

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Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Jan 28th 2012 at 10:08:10 PM •••

How about the tall & lanky build(s) used by Mr. Cake, Flim, Flam, Stinkin' Rich, the Donny Captain Ersatz, the Jesus Captain Ersatz, the mailpony, and the Appleloosa saloon keeper?

PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Jan 29th 2012 at 11:02:30 AM •••

Those are different enough from each other to count as Non-Standard.

LastFriday Since: Jan, 2011
Jan 21st 2012 at 11:38:55 PM •••

Since the nurse pony (fan nickname Nurse Redheart) got a rather important scene in Baby Cakes, should she be added to Background Ponies? I actually can't find mention of her on any of the character pages, though that could simply be a case of the bads on my part.

TheatricalAndProud Since: Nov, 2011
Jan 18th 2012 at 1:05:56 PM •••

Suggesting that Mr. and Mrs. Cake and their kids be added to the family section, since they are basically Pinkies adopted family.

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Jan 18th 2012 at 5:29:09 PM •••

There's nothing official about it. Right now, Pinkie is their live-in tenant/employee that they treat as family. But that still isn't official.

Unless it's outright stated, The Cakes are fine where they are for now.

AaronHong Since: Sep, 2009
Dec 23rd 2011 at 7:30:55 AM •••

Should the characters from the Hearths Warming Eve play be added to Characters? And where would they fit in?

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Dec 23rd 2011 at 2:28:21 PM •••

You're a bit late, they've already been listed under "Historical Figures" in the Celebronies page.

PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Nov 5th 2011 at 6:39:20 PM •••

Okay, would people kindly stop using "colt" and "filly" in place of "boy" or "girl". They have referred to themselves as boys and girls in the past episodes, and frankly, I'm getting completely sick of the Hold Your Hippogriffs slathered everywhere.

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TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
Nov 11th 2011 at 2:51:06 PM •••

This. I find it annoying as well. Very, very much so. Although it seems that in the show, "colt" and "filly" are interchangeable with "boy" and "girl" respectively.

PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Dec 21st 2011 at 3:29:37 PM •••

Okay, if I see one more instance of "Red Pony, Blue Pony", I'm going to throw a fit. I'm going to get rid of the stupid pun.

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Oct 4th 2011 at 2:44:14 PM •••

Spike should not be listed under "mane cast." The "mane" part refers to ponies, and Spike is a dragon.

He would be better placed in the Animal Companions page, as he is of a different species than the mane cast. Granted, he gets more screentime than the other Animal Companions, but that isn't a very meaningful aspect of categorization.

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Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Oct 5th 2011 at 9:42:30 PM •••

Spike's always been hard to categorize, since the Animal Companions can't talk and he can. But seeing as he recently got a character introduction video like the mane six and Celestia have, I'd say he's definitely a main character.

MobiusOfMobius Since: Apr, 2011
Oct 5th 2011 at 10:30:41 PM •••

Mane cast is a pun, nothing more. It refers to the main cast. Spike recieved two episodes devoted to him in the first season, he's a main character.

HiddenFacedMatt Since: Jul, 2011
Oct 6th 2011 at 5:13:34 PM •••

"Two" episodes? I know "Owl's Well That Ends Well" was pretty Spike-centric, but which other episode are you referring to? @ Mobius Of Mobius 10

Mane cast is a pun, but it's a pun based on ponies having manes. Each of the mane six has an element, the significance is pretty much balanced between them in episodes not focused on one or two of them, (and even in those, the significance of the rest is pretty balanced) and they are the ponies featured in murals like the one in Return Of Harmony.

If we are to look at it as the main 7, then we should call it that. Even then, though, Spike is evidently the odd one out. Whatshisgame09 mentions Celestia getting an introduction video, yet that didn't stop Celestia from being categorized outside mane cast.

EDITED IN: I've since brought this subject up in this post of mine from the MLP:FIM western animation thread.

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Oct 8th 2011 at 10:03:23 PM •••

You know, Spike's spikes are arranged almost like a Pony's mane. Just because Spike isn't the same species as the rest of the main characters, this doesn't make him any less important. Besides, the Animal Companions section was made as a split from the Minor Characters section, which Spike certainly doesn't belong to either.

and the other episode that one of the tropers above mentioned is probably "A Dog and Pony Show".

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VVK Since: Jun, 2009
Dec 6th 2011 at 12:14:53 AM •••

Am I the only one who thinks the pun is just silly in the first place?

AkoSiKuya32 Since: Feb, 2010
Nov 7th 2011 at 11:30:05 AM •••

Should the Sports Trio be moved from Minor Characters to Antagonists? To me, they're just as bad as Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon.

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PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Nov 8th 2011 at 4:31:53 PM •••

They're fine where they are for several reasons:

1. The worst thing they actually did was tease Rainbow Dash and Fluttershy. They never actually did anything really malicious and they apologized for their behavior later. The other antagonists haven't done that.

2. Unless Cloudsdale is visited again and we're introduced to more residents with speaking roles that are vital to the episode's plot, they're literally the only characters in the Cloudsdale folder. All the rest are background characters.

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
Apr 17th 2011 at 9:51:56 AM •••

Does anyone else think that Pinkie Pie made up the rock farm story. Gloomy Pinkie. Amish Ponies. A rock farm. Sounds like the product of a hyperactive mind.

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Nezumi Since: Jan, 2001
Nov 2nd 2011 at 11:58:54 AM •••

It's... hard to say for sure.

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TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
Oct 22nd 2011 at 9:52:43 PM •••

Could we possibly change a couple of the images? I think the Comic-Con poster would be better as the main image, seeing as how it's official artwork showing everypony. If we can't use it due to the logos, we could probably find someway to edit them.

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Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Oct 23rd 2011 at 11:38:49 AM •••

The wallpaper version of the Comic-Con poster has fewer logos.

TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
TylerL320 Since: Jul, 2011
Oct 24th 2011 at 6:25:23 PM •••

I changed it, but when I previewed it, it was much too small, even on maximum allowed size.

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SomeNewGuy Since: Jun, 2009
Aug 31st 2011 at 11:46:12 AM •••

This isn't fair. Just because some troll is acting up doesn't mean we should all be punished.

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MobiusOfMobius Since: Apr, 2011
Sep 1st 2011 at 1:20:38 AM •••

Do you have a better suggestion to stop the Pony-haters?

WolfMan16 Since: Sep, 2010
Sep 2nd 2011 at 7:25:46 PM •••

Well, it is just one vandal. Albeit one of those annoying ones who don't seem to understand the meaning of not being welcomed after being kicked off and creating a sockpuppet.

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MobiusOfMobius Since: Apr, 2011
Sep 5th 2011 at 2:58:58 PM •••

You seem pretty sure its just one guy. There's more than one hater in the world.

WolfMan16 Since: Sep, 2010
Sep 6th 2011 at 12:18:19 AM •••

I guess I didn't word this correctly, I mean there is only one vandal who was responsible for blanking out the entire page, which lead to the lock. All of the other haters probably don't go on TV tropes, check out this page, or go extremely low as to blank it repeatedly.

Name one other hater who was responsible for ending up having this page locked. I can think of only one hater but that was a long time ago.

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
Sep 18th 2011 at 9:40:24 AM •••

I agree with Mobius Of Mobius. One troll pulls a stunt and everyone gets shut out of editing. This may be what the troll actually wanted.

WolfMan16 Since: Sep, 2010
Sep 18th 2011 at 5:16:14 PM •••

Then I guess the pages should be locked indefinetely, if that's what everyone wants.

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
Yarrik Since: Jan, 2001
Sep 17th 2011 at 9:01:28 AM •••

Adding Discord to the Antagonists Characters section should probably get done, maybe after the second episode.

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Godzillawolf Since: Jul, 2010
Sep 17th 2011 at 11:56:01 AM •••

He's on the Antagonist characters page...which someone needs to make a link to from here.

Rikun Since: Oct, 2009
Sep 18th 2011 at 10:44:40 AM •••

Been searching the Antagonist section of the characters page and there's no sign of Discord. Are the editors just holding back until the second episode comes and goes?

PDL Since: Jul, 2010
Sep 18th 2011 at 12:26:03 PM •••

Since people seem too lazy, here's a link to the sandbox

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Sandbox/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic

Discord is listed (along with numerous other edits in the character section links.

ShadowHog Since: May, 2009
Sep 19th 2011 at 8:55:09 AM •••

On that subject, I've noticed that the pages are unlocked and somebody's moved Discord over here... but I'd thought we were going to replace the page with links to the split ones. Y'think we should do that instead, instead of developing the character tropes in two separate locations?

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MobiusOfMobius Since: Apr, 2011
Sep 21st 2011 at 2:37:20 PM •••

Where does Steven Magnet fit? He's not an antagonist, but he's also not a Pony.

owltalon I am the one Since: Jan, 2011
I am the one
Sep 14th 2011 at 7:33:55 PM •••

Though the page is locked, could anyone with the power to do so possibly add an image of Doctor Whooves? This image might do the trick. The Whovians checking out MLP would be very greatfull!

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Godzillawolf Since: Jul, 2010
Sep 9th 2011 at 7:01:22 AM •••

Shouldn't Fluttershy be listed as a Fluffy Tamer by now? Just how she treated the Manticore in episode 2 should qualify, along with the Dragon in "Dragonshy". Not sure about the Cockatrice though. Still, I think she should count.

catstuxedo Since: Jun, 2009
Aug 29th 2011 at 10:51:50 PM •••

I've finally deduced that Scott Mc Neil voiced Rover (the medium-sized Diamond Dog) in "A Dog and Pony Show" by detecting a hint of that distinct Mc Neil roughness in the character's voice, so the Diamond Dog section should be updated accordingly if possible.

On a related note, I've got some possible Fridge Brilliance here: the reason the Diamond Dogs react so horribly to Rarity's whining is because dogs' ears are more sensitive to such high-pitched noises.

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SuddenFrost Since: Sep, 2009
Aug 27th 2011 at 4:01:31 PM •••

In Spike's entry, under "Anything's Awesome With Announcers", the "He's getting older" line should be deleted. It's left over from the Art Shift line before it was removed.

TARINunit9 Since: Oct, 2010
Aug 27th 2011 at 12:39:18 AM •••

I have to get this off my chest: DERPY IS NOT DITZY DOO!! I doublechecked the whole Winter Wrap-up episode, and Derpy wasn't in the team that went to get the birds. She was on cloud duty all day

MobiusOfMobius Since: Apr, 2011
Aug 25th 2011 at 2:19:20 AM •••

I've thought of a bit of Fridge brilliance surrounding Spike being an extreme omnivore. Dragons would have to be. If they need to grow from Spikes size to the full grown dragon sizes we've seen, they'd need to be able to draw sustenance from anything they could get their hands on.

Ardashir Since: Jul, 2010
Aug 22nd 2011 at 6:18:57 PM •••

In just realized a bit of Genius Bonus with Gilda's name. She's a griffon with a name that means "gold"... and in classical mythology griffons supposedly defended golden treasures in and around their nests.

Any chance of getting that included with the entry on Gilda?

Hoheh Since: May, 2010
Aug 18th 2011 at 10:23:06 AM •••

Can't edit it, but Fluttershy has had clear Cowardly Lion moments when pushed. A dragon, a cocketricde, and being there for the group, for instance. Others cowered and she tried to help, scared or not.

Calnos The Jossed Since: May, 2011
The Jossed
Aug 6th 2011 at 3:21:08 PM •••

I'm thinking, in regards to background ponies that don't have in-show names... do we want to count commercials & t-shirts as "canon"? In all likely hood DJ Pon3 and "Derp-Zam!" are nods to the fans.

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Calnos Since: May, 2011
Jul 23rd 2011 at 4:28:27 PM •••

...You know, that is actually a very good question. They haven't given exact ages for the mane cast, or Cheerilee, or most of the characters really. Curse you, lack of info!

I think a lot of fans do assume that Rarity is one of the older members of the mane cast given she has her own business and such, and Cheerilee has the 80's photo and was assumed to be older (at least by me, and I'm the one that put that trope there in the first place) in part to being a school teacher.

Really this could all be debated till the end of time or Word of God gives us an answer. The fact of the matter is that there is a filly that looks like Cheerilee in Rarity's flashback implying those two are about the same age. Should we remove the trope based on that?

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Calnos The Jossed Since: May, 2011
The Jossed
Jul 8th 2011 at 6:48:28 PM •••

Lets talk about Background Ponies.

Checking the history I've noticed some tropes get removed due to being Fanon, such as Les Yay that was under Lyra and Bon Bon. I agree with that, as there's no official hint in the show that those two are a couple, they just hang out a lot.

However, if we're going to cut all the "Fanon tropes", wouldn't that mean we'd be removing a bunch of the stuff under Derpy like Big Eater and The Unintelligible? Or pretty much all the Doctor Whoof stuff that reference Doctor Who?

I'm just curious as to where we draw the line, as with the Background Ponies a lot of what makes them popular ARE the funny little bits of Fanon that the fanbase has come up with. Should we cut all the Fanon stuff and save it for the Ensemble Darkpony page, or keep some of the Fanon stuff that's most prevalent?

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Grobi Since: Sep, 2010
Jul 8th 2011 at 7:09:29 PM •••

I say move the Fanon stuff to the YMMV-tab (Alternate Character Interpretation - since they're just that).

Or... we'll create a subpage for the Fanon-tropes. Wouldn't mind that. But I don't think it belongs on the main page.

Calnos The Jossed Since: May, 2011
The Jossed
Jun 4th 2011 at 5:32:30 PM •••

Currently under Background Ponies we have "Derpy" and "Others". Now we all love Derpy but she isn't the ONLY popular background pony. Should we start adding more entries for some of the more notable ones like Lyra and Doctor Whoof?

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
May 16th 2011 at 7:35:21 PM •••

Prince Blueblood is missing. Why isn't he on the character page anymore?!

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Surenity Since: Aug, 2009
May 16th 2011 at 7:38:31 PM •••

He got moved. He's still there just in a different section.

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DeathCloud Wish granter Since: Apr, 2009
Wish granter
May 8th 2011 at 1:13:15 PM •••

New Time Pony add many confusions. He is Master or 5th/11th Doctor?

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
May 13th 2011 at 3:15:41 PM •••

I'd say 11, but maybe 5th. The Master theory is mostly used by fanfic writers looking for a good antagonist.

Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
May 16th 2011 at 7:33:00 PM •••

5th seems to be a popular interpretation on Ponibooru, though Eleven has his share of supporters.

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Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
May 6th 2011 at 8:38:43 PM •••

Shouldn't Yangire and Yandere (currently found under Fluttershy in the Characters page) be moved to "The Best Night Ever"? It's completely specific to that episode.

Captainhook Since: Apr, 2011
May 6th 2011 at 3:33:59 PM •••

I just removed the Madness Tropes from Pinkie Pie's character page on the grounds that they should go under "Party of One" in the episode guide. Did I do the right thing? I'm new, so I don't know. If not, add them back in.

Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Apr 30th 2011 at 1:59:01 PM •••

Should Spike really be listed under "The Mane Cast?"

Of course, he isn't exactly a minor character or animal companion, either...

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Surenity Since: Aug, 2009
Apr 30th 2011 at 9:05:28 PM •••

I think he should be. He's had A Day in the Spotlight to himself after all and is in most episodes.

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MysticalChicken Since: Jan, 2001
Apr 28th 2011 at 11:13:16 PM •••

Under "Non-Pony Sidekick" in Twilight Sparkle's section, the owl's name from "Owl's Well That Ends Well" is spelled Owlowiscious. Methinks it should (conceivably) be Owloysius, though, as the real-life name is usually spelled Aloysius.

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Whatshisgame Since: Sep, 2010
Apr 30th 2011 at 1:58:14 PM •••

Word of God says that while it probably should've been Owloysius, the official spelling is Owlowiscious.

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