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TrollBrutal Since: Nov, 2010
Jun 30th 2016 at 1:43:15 AM •••

The labelnote in Social Climber doesn't seem to work, it's ok when used in a sandbox page, but not in the character sheet, something must be off somewhere.

ETA : Fixed, one unclosed /labelnote elsewhere.

Edited by TrollBrutal
siberia82 Since: Apr, 2013
May 11th 2014 at 10:57:14 AM •••

How is it that the Grand Romantic Gesture entry is not valid for Loras? It's made VERY clear on the show that he loved Renly, wants revenge for his beloved's murder, and (correctly) blames Stannis for the crime. The rest of the Tyrells were motivated by power when they agreed to an alliance with the Lannisters, but Loras himself only cared about vengeance (Littlefinger says so to Tywin: "Loras wants revenge. He blames Stannis for Renly's death"). Loras could've worn his Knight of Flowers' armour to represent his family at the Battle of Blackwater, but he chose to put on Renly's (who is regarded as a traitor by the crown) as a sign of his devotion to the man he loves. There is this quote from Loras to Renly in Season 1: "I've never fought in a war before, but I'd fight for you." And Loras does fight for Renly's memory (by getting back at Stannis disguised as Renly's "ghost") even after his lover is killed.

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LogoP Since: May, 2013
May 11th 2014 at 1:09:35 PM •••

The reason Loras wore Renly's armour was to create panic among the enemy forces by making them think that Renly came back as a "ghost". This is taken directly from the books, with only Loras replacing Garlan (who has been Adapted Out).

On the other hand, there's absolutely zero (coming from the books, the showrunners or in-universe) evidence that suggests Loras wore the armor as a Grand Romantic Gesture. No one can deny that he wanted to avenge Renly (it is explicitly stated) but all the rest is speculation and has no place here.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
Jordan Azor Ahai Since: Jan, 2001
Azor Ahai
Sep 5th 2012 at 11:22:14 PM •••

I removed the following to describe Loras:

While someone chose him as a quote for the trope, he really doesn't fit the trope (and thus probably also shouldn't be used as a trope for the page either). Loras is a very good jouster and arguably a very good warrior in general, but he doesn't evidence the superhuman skill demanded by the trope. The quote is really more along the lines of subverting Hard Work Hardly Works.

Edited by Jordan Hodor
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