Is there a reason why all the folders for the stark family had their royalty titles removed? King Robb went to just Robb, etc?
Even if the Iron Throne never recognized them as royalty, and the characters themselves (Arya, Sansa, Bran, Rickon, etc) never used the titles themselves, the rest of the North Lords DID recognize Robb and now Jon as Kings, making their immediate family Princes, and Princesses, regardless of them bothering to use the title or not.
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If I were to guess its because Jon Snow being crowned King is a huge Season 6 spoiler. Personally I prefer if they restored the titles back.
Axed a lot of examples of Odd Name Out and Theme Naming because the "themes" are way, way too broad.
"Name starts with a G or an S" only really works as a theme when there's more than two that it actually applies to, and adding additional specifics just to narrow it down to make it fit is sloppy.
Ditto "name begins with a vowel" considering, you know, names that begin with vowels are a bit rarer and it's perfectly likely that most (not even all, as the entries point out) of the names of a family unit happen to begin with a consonant.
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Since Robb's secession failed and he is now dead with no heir, and the new head of the north is now called "warden" again are the other members of house stark still princes and princesses? Should their tags not be changed once more to lords?
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I don't think so, because Robb was betrayed and killed while still King, and he claimed the Crown that was given by loyal bannermen. Roose is Warden of the North because he's a Lannister collaborator. As far as Stark loyalists are concerned Robb died as a King but left no known living heir. If Bran and/or Rickon go public again and they decide to forsake the claim to the title of King in the North, then it's fine, but Robb campaigned as King and died as one.
He did die as a king so his title has to remain king. His kin however I believe are a different story. Remember he only was viewed as a king by the northmen. If he had successfully beaten the Lannisters prior to the time of his death then the Starks would be royals, but with the current situation, not only to six of the other seven kingdoms consider the Starks lords and ladies, but most importantly the family with all the power at the moment- the Lannisters consider it as such. The North is once again under the yolk of the one who sits on the Iron Throne. If lets say Rickon comes of age and campaigns as king then all his family may be called royalty once more. In any case the powers that be feel like the tags should stay the same so this is just musing.
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Would that it were so simple.
I removed Cute and Psycho from Robb's entry because what the actual fuck, he isn't an example of someone who is cute and insane at the same time. Firstly, making war against the Lannisters in general is not a sign of insanity, and the most Robb can directly lay claim to is thrashing Lannister armies in the field. He is never shown directly ordering that atrocities be committed against innocent or defenseless people, and yes, innocent people die in war. It's a fact of war. That doesn't make the people who wage war immediately cruel and insane.
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Also, his desiring a battle with the Lannisters is not necessarily mindless bloodthirst. He wins battles with absurdly favorable casualty ratios, and he always wins. It's on the battlefield that he is able to make his most decisive breakthroughs — of course he would want to force the Lannisters to give battle.
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Agree. Also the fact that his executing Karstark is used as "evidence" is insane. Robb executed Karstark because he killed innocents and Robb disapproved of that (which of course defeats the point of the troper who posted the example).
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Under Bran's listing...
- Beyond the Impossible: While wargs are common beyond the Wall, and there are even some further south, Bran is apparently the first person in history to be able to warg into another human.
"To warg into another human"? Am I missing something due to not knowing much about the series, or did someone forget couple words?
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No, that's how it is. "Warging into someone" in the series is the act of entering another's consciousness and controlling their actions while seeing through their eyes. It's mostly done with animals. However, the entry is not true. Warging into other humans is not impossible, it is simply considered taboo and abominable.
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Oh, okay. How pleasant...
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Is it true? I don't remember anyone saying anything about it one way or the other.
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Laughing Mad keeps getting added to Arya's entry even though interviews with the actress make it clear that it doesn't fit. Here is Maisie Williams' explanation for the scene: “When I was doing it, it was more a reaction to The Hound. This whole time he’s been giving her such a hard time. He’s so in control, and he’s this tough guy, saying he’s going to take me to my aunt in the Vale and ‘I’m going to get my money and I don’t care about you, I just want my money.’ And all of a sudden this happens, and Arya completely loves it. And through laughter, she’s saying, ‘Now what are you going to do?’ It’s fascinating to see this little girl giggling in the sunlight.”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/06/03/game-of-thrones-arya-laugh/
Despite this being explained in the edit notes, people keep adding and readding this trope that doesn't fit. I feel that it should be removed.
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You ought to add a %% note where the entry is, explaining why it doesn't fit.
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That's probably the best way to handle it. To be fair, I interpreted it that way as well, before her interview came out, but interview fully proved us wrong. *shrug*
In what way do the Starks resemble in even the least manner Eastern Europe? What the hell do you even mean when you say Eastern Europe? Cossacks? Latvia? Mongols? Russia in general? Poland? Hungaria? What?
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They live in a cold climate?
Yeah, I got nothing. They don't have any aspects of an Eastern European Fantasy Counterpart Culture; rather, they are pretty much Saxons.
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Oh? Which Saxons? Northumbria? Mercia? Wessex? Like all of Westeroes, they just strike me like generic western European English fantasy race. In truth however, Westeros may very well be the most laughably over-the-top and poorly researched concept of the middle-ages since Brettonia. And Brettonia was satire and therefore meant to be only half-serious. The problem as I see it is that it beggers belief for a series that supposedly prides itself on realism.
Anyway, unless someone can argue how the North has Eastern European influences, I don't see why it should be kept.
I think the North does share some similarities with Russia. Covers a vast area, has a cold and harsh climate, contains a lot of forests,lakes,mountains,swamps and fields, large population but sparsely populated,difficult to control e.t.c....
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Having some minor geographical correlation isn't what Fantasy Counterpart Culture is. It refers to a fictional culture that shares cultural and aesthetic similarities with an actual real world culture to a certain level.
Aside from being cold, the North has little in common with Russia geographically anyway. In the show at least, it looks like a scaled up version of Scotland.
Should we move House Bolton to a new area? Maybe to House Frey, or to its own section entirely? Considering they are deliberately NOT Stark bannermen anymore.
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Considering how large all of these pages are getting, maybe we should divide by region.
Northern Houses: divide into pages for House Stark / retainers, House Bolton / retainers, then then Other Northern Houses (including House's Reed and Karstark, plus the Other Northern Bannermen or Houses.
Riverlands House: divide into pages for House Tully, House Frey, and Other Riverlands Bannermen or Houses.
etc. for the other Regions when it is feasible to split them. But House Bolton and House Frey should really have their own separate pages however it gets divided.
Good idea. Do you want to fix that up?
EDIT: Nevermind, I got it. Though if someone wants to organize the houses by their positioning, that would help, as would finding a way to get the two new pages their own indexing.
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Removed Pragmatic Villainy twice from Lord Bolton because counterintuitive as it may sound our trope requires actual evil deeds avoided out of pragmatic concerns. (alcohol is not an evil deed) Being pragmatic and (consequently) villainous falls under in name only and Not An Example. It's listed there too.
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Starks as Sloth? The SDS page seems to imply Sloth is associated with slow mindedness, lack of drive, Lack of Empathy, and moral laziness. The Starks are *definitely* not the latter two, and the first two are borderline.
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Agreed, Square Peg Round Trope, not every family commits a deadly sin, a certain Tragic Flaw may / will be more fitting
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Badass Spaniard has been renamed to Dashing Hispanic. The trope requires some necessary characteristics, like being a rogue Anti-Hero of wit and charm, kind of like Zorro. There is not enough context to tell if it fits here.
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Well, looking at the trope description (I'm no expert on the show but I'll try"
"Almost always an Anti-Hero (with the occasional Anti-Villain), this character is a rogue, skilled with their Weapon of Choice" - he's mostly a nice guy, but he doesn't really get enough screentime to show any potential villainous side, since he's always only ever interacting with Arya.
"They are charmers, always witty and quick-thinking, and a hit with the ladies." - He's definitely witty and sharp-tongued, dunno about the last part.
"Their fighting styles are more about being athletic and striking with finesse than clumsy swings or wild shots" - Definitely, his fighting style is called "Water Dancing", which says it all there.
"and their actions are governed by a strict code of honor they adhere to." - I dunno if he has a "code" of honor, but he does act honorably and has a general demeanor that if he did live by a code it would fit.
"They usually have a habit of swearing vengeance on someone who’s wronged them, and god help anyone who gets in the way of their revenge." - Never comes into play, though when the guards disrespect him and try to take Arya, he is offended, tells them they should show him respect, and fights them off to protect her.
Sooo yeah, he sort-of halfway fits. The books may have more background info that make it clearer, I'm not sure.
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A certain character whose identity hasn't been revealed but is well known by book readers is listed twice, here and in independent characters... shouldn't he be removed from the Stark page and his tropes kept there until his identity is told in-show?
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Doubled, especially when some tags make his identity quite clear. It is true that astute viewers can guess his identity thanks to the small clues from the first two seasons, but even if they are right, his name is still a theory as of today.
They could easily change it if they wanted to, like they did for Asha/Yara Greyjoy.
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Removed this comment for being natter:
- As long as you don't subscribe to the theory that The Bear and the Maiden Fair is actually about rape, that is.
"The Bear and the Maiden Fair" is about rape (it falls into more or less Rape Is Love and is treated humorously in the song).
However, the song is presented in the books as one of the most popular/well-known songs in Westeros (take that as you will), so singing it seems to be pretty innocuous behavior. That being said, I can see why a band of rapists might find ironic amusement in the song.
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Should Podrick be added onto this list as well? He does work for Brienne, and now Brienne does officially work for the Starks. It could be considered an allegiance by association or something like that.
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