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Sep 17th 2011 at 4:09:01 PM •••

Generally Is Lelouch good or bad? Who's worse Suzaku or Lelouch?

Edited by person5455426
Dec 30th 2010 at 6:14:32 PM •••

Removed of The Kallen "Before that, she's The Dragon to the Magnificent Bastard Villain Protagonist."

Kallen is not The Dragon.

While her boss was a bastard, she was a heroine.

Edited by cclospina
Dec 16th 2010 at 6:21:22 PM •••

-On second thought, Lelouch really is a villain protagonist, he took advantage of the ideals of others to achieve his personal vendetta against his father.

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Dec 16th 2010 at 6:29:27 PM •••

That was only one of his motivations. He really was out to make a better world, and turned out to have more vision than many of the other characters, even if he used some of them.

Dec 16th 2010 at 6:39:25 PM •••

Even so he hadnīt problems manipulating and sacrificing soldiers (as if they were pawns in chess).

Also, The staff and cast of Code Geass openly admits that Lelouch is a Villain Protagonist.

Edited by cclosina
Dec 16th 2010 at 6:51:22 PM •••

The staff and cast said more than a few hyperbolic and counterlogical things.

Jan 13th 2011 at 6:11:45 PM •••

How is it possible that Lelouch is considered a type IV?

  • Talk about a subject that manipulates and sacrifices to his allies.

the only reason that can be considered an antihero, is because his enemies are worse than him.

Edited by cclosina
Jan 14th 2011 at 1:10:22 AM •••

Manipulates and sacrifices his allies? While it's true that he could stand to show more consideration and less secrecy towards them, saying that he does those things is overexaggerating it. Besides, he displays his share of empathetic traits at the same time, and displays more nobility and vision than many of the other non-enemies as well.

Besides, IIRC you labeled the less heroic Sesshomaru of Inuyasha a Type IV.

Feb 10th 2011 at 9:28:29 AM •••

Sesshomaru isn't is a manipulativeBastard.

Feb 10th 2011 at 10:35:34 AM •••

A character can be unheroic without being a Manipulative Bastard, and often less so than one who is. See also: Villainous Valor.

Feb 10th 2011 at 12:08:02 PM •••

Lelouch is worse than Sesshomaru.

Sesshomaru only is selfish

Edited by cclospina
Feb 10th 2011 at 7:15:56 PM •••

What are you talking about?

While he's no saint, Lelouch does what he does to make a better world, often for lack of less objectionable means.

And Sesshomaru can still be cold for no reason, even if he's mostly just selfish. There isn't a whole lot that's noble about him.

Feb 11th 2011 at 5:11:18 AM •••

magneto also wants a better world and he is a villain.

Feb 11th 2011 at 2:11:33 PM •••

So is Schneizel. They're Visionary Villains and Well Intentioned Extremists.

The difference with Lelouch is he is not the former. He goes to extremes only for lack of alternative.

Mar 27th 2011 at 1:41:58 PM •••

azul120, this thing cclospina said is true? The own staff and cast of the series said Lelouch is a Villain Protagonist?

Edited by MagBas
Apr 10th 2011 at 5:03:09 PM •••

Tecnically, the own staff and cast of the series said that Lelouch was the villain, while suzaku was the hero, and That the only reason for which lelouch was sympathetic was because he was the protagonist.

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