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Okay, \'\'Film/{{Avatar}}\'\' is turning into a bit of an EditWar, so I\'m going to wait for some replies here before I do anything, but even as it\'s written, it doesn\'t seem to belong under \
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Okay, \\\'\\\'Film/{{Avatar}}\\\'\\\' is turning into a bit of an EditWar, so I\\\'m going to wait for some replies here before I do anything, but even as it\\\'s written, it doesn\\\'t seem to belong under \\\"the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' difference is the presence of FTLTravel,\\\" (emphasis thus) since other problems are called out \\\'\\\'in\\\'\\\' the long paragraph, an obvious EditWar battleground. Honestly, it\\\'s not \\\'\\\'meant\\\'\\\' to be hard. This is \\\"the film [Cameron] wanted to make when [he] was fourteen,\\\" and consequently runs off RuleOfCool. The current paragraph is where it is (having been at the hard end of the lowest category, I think) because of a fan adding the following objections (which a more responsible editor quite sensibly incorporated where appropriate and removed, but only moving it as far as \\\"no FTL\\\" due to the admission that there was FTL):

** Read the [[http://www.pandorapedia.com/doku.php manual]] and you will find out that:
*** 1) The venture Star although being 1 km long has a payload of just 300 tons and that\\\'s way...
***2) NO MINING EQUIPMENT WAS CARRIED FROM EARTH. It was all constructed on site the only things carried on the Venture Star\\\'s (there are 4 of them) are people and electronics, outbound, and Unobtanium, mediciene and some Na\\\'vi art, inbound. And it\\\'s by no means cheap.
***3) The Na\\\'vi don\\\'t have DNA, Pandora life uses some other molecule to store genetic inforamation, it took 20 or so years to manage to mix human DNA and whatever the Na\\\'vi use.
***4) FTL communication is based on the observed phenomenon of quantum entanglement. But it\\\'s not casual, because of the low bandwidth it has priorities assigned to each message, that\\\'s way it takes Quaritch 3 months to set up Jake\\\'s surgery. Bulk of communication is light speed via laser.
***5) For all this reasons the Avatat entry is moved to NoFTL.

First, this comes off as quite arrogant, and more than a bit obsessive, since the explanations are AllThereInTheManual, but even if we\\\'re to stipulate that the aliens don\\\'t actually use DNA (and I\\\'m pretty sure they refer to it as such in the film, although I may be wrong), it\\\'s a bit of a stretch to believe that they could [=MacGuyver=] up mining equipment based on what they found there, especially not equipment that could double as a military force against the natives. And as for quantum entanglement, you could claim gravitons carried the information and it would still be the same technobabble, not changing the unmentioned fact that even the slightest functional FTL in this little universe creates a causal mess. And he didn\\\'t even attempt to address the fact that the mechs flat-out ignore the square-cube law, and their intuitiveness can\\\'t compare to the efficiency of a design that requires, what, a few days\\\' training?

And \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of this doesn\\\'t change the big objection: \\\'\\\'why the Na\\\'vi\\\'\\\'?! They\\\'re what Native Americans are to a white fourteen-year-old who\\\'s never looked into the subject, and somehow, they showed up, in essentially human form (albeit a time and a half the size), on another planet! Not only is it pure Hollywood, no one who isn\\\'t in the thrall of CGI beauty could think otherwise! Even Cameron must realize how absurd it is; like I said before, the film is driven by RuleOfCool, and that\\\'s essentially the definition of \\\"soft science fiction.\\\"

In any case, the sheer \\\'\\\'length\\\'\\\' of that paragraph seems to me to be a problem. Any suggestions?

Also, for the benefit of any fans who are still living on Pandora, I should point out: [[TropesAreTools \\\"soft\\\" does not necessarily mean \\\"bad.\\\"]]
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Okay, \'\'Film/{{Avatar}}\'\' is turning into a bit of an EditWar, so I\'m going to wait for some replies here before I do anything, but even as it\'s written, it doesn\'t seem to belong under \
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Okay, \\\'\\\'Film/{{Avatar}}\\\'\\\' is turning into a bit of an EditWar, so I\\\'m going to wait for some replies here before I do anything, but even as it\\\'s written, it doesn\\\'t seem to belong under \\\"the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' difference is the presence of FTLTravel,\\\" (emphasis thus) since other problems are called out \\\'\\\'in\\\'\\\' the long paragraph, an obvious EditWar battleground. Honestly, it\\\'s not \\\'\\\'meant\\\'\\\' to be hard. This is \\\"the film [Cameron] wanted to make when [he] was fourteen,\\\" and consequently runs off RuleOfCool. The current paragraph is where it is (having been at the hard end of the lowest category, I think) because of a fan adding the following objections (which a more responsible editor quite sensibly incorporated where appropriate and removed, but only moving it as far as \\\"no FTL\\\" due to the admission that there was FTL):

** Read the [[http://www.pandorapedia.com/doku.php manual]] and you will find out that:
*** 1) The venture Star although being 1 km long has a payload of just 300 tons and that\\\'s way...
***2) NO MINING EQUIPMENT WAS CARRIED FROM EARTH. It was all constructed on site the only things carried on the Venture Star\\\'s (there are 4 of them) are people and electronics, outbound, and Unobtanium, mediciene and some Na\\\'vi art, inbound. And it\\\'s by no means cheap.
***3) The Na\\\'vi don\\\'t have DNA, Pandora life uses some other molecule to store genetic inforamation, it took 20 or so years to manage to mix human DNA and whatever the Na\\\'vi use.
***4) FTL communication is based on the observed phenomenon of quantum entanglement. But it\\\'s not casual, because of the low bandwidth it has priorities assigned to each message, that\\\'s way it takes Quaritch 3 months to set up Jake\\\'s surgery. Bulk of communication is light speed via laser.
***5) For all this reasons the Avatat entry is moved to NoFTL.

First, this comes off as quite arrogant, and more than a bit obsessive, since the explanations are AllThereInTheManual, but even if we\\\'re to stipulate that the aliens don\\\'t actually use DNA (and I\\\'m not convinced they don\\\'t refer to it as such in the film), it\\\'s a bit of a stretch to believe that they could [=MacGuyver=] up mining equipment based on what they found there, especially not equipment that could double as a military force against the natives. And as for quantum entanglement, you could claim gravitons carried the information and it would still be the same technobabble, not changing the unmentioned fact that even the slightest functional FTL in this little universe creates a causal mess. And he didn\\\'t even attempt to address the fact that the mechs flat-out ignore the square-cube law, and their intuitiveness can\\\'t compare to the efficiency of a design that requires, what, a few days\\\' training?

And \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' of this doesn\\\'t change the big objection: \\\'\\\'why the Na\\\'vi\\\'\\\'?! They\\\'re what Native Americans are to a white fourteen-year-old who\\\'s never looked into the subject, and somehow, they showed up, in essentially human form (albeit a time and a half the size), on another planet! Not only is it pure Hollywood, no one who isn\\\'t in the thrall of CGI beauty could think otherwise! Even Cameron must realize how absurd it is; like I said before, the film is driven by RuleOfCool, and that\\\'s essentially the definition of \\\"soft science fiction.\\\"

In any case, the sheer \\\'\\\'length\\\'\\\' of that paragraph seems to me to be a problem. Any suggestions?

Also, for the benefit of any fans who are still living on Pandora, I should point out: [[TropesAreTools \\\"soft\\\" does not necessarily mean \\\"bad.\\\"]]
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It says right on the page when editing: \\\"Image selected by discussion in the Image Pickin\\\' forum. Please check in there before making any changes to it.\\\"

If you want a new page image, go [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=d5quv5jv8th5rnrsuhqtzikp&page=1 here]] and make your case. If you have enough support, you can change it. But ignoring a mod ruling doesn\\\'t fly here.

You may need to reupload some of the images, a lot of them have been cleaned due to lack of links.
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