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\\\"The Juubi has tons to do with the story. If it weren\\\'t for it, then the conflict wouldn\\\'t exist.\\\"
Read the trope description: \\\'\\\'\\\" \\\'\\\'\\\'the setting has a villainous presence that is more significant than the Big Bad in the setting as a whole, but isn\\\'t causing the conflict of the story\\\'\\\'\\\' (and may have little to do with it at all). Perhaps, it is an important Sealed Evil in a Can that never gets released, is simply unconcerned with current events, or is a mindless force that can\\\'t by any realistic stretch of the imagination be considered a character. Sometimes, the real Big Bad \\\'\\\'\\\'will seek to exploit or make use of it\\\'\\\'\\\', or may pay lip service to it, though this doesn\\\'t always happen.\\\"\\\'\\\'
The Juubi is more powerful than either Madara or Tobi, but it isn\\\'t personally responisble for the conflict. Getting it is merely part of the EvilPlan, it\\\'s basicly a {{MacGuffin}}, that the villains need. The Juubi is not the cause of the conflict, but it\\\'s goal.
\\\"The Dark Side of the Force also wouldn\\\'t be considered a Bigger Bad, because if it weren\\\'t for that there wouldn\\\'t be any major conflict in Star Wars. I could make the argument that the Dark Side is the cause of conflict.\\\"
Again: Palpatine was the one who orchestrated the conflict. Yes, without the Dark Side, he wouldn\\\'t have been able to do it, but the Dark Side itself didn\\\'t cause any of the events. It\\\'s a mindless force, more powerful than the main villain, but it\\\'s inactive and has no direct influence over the events.
\\\"In fact, now that I look at it, there doesn\\\'t even seem to be \\\'\\\'\\\'a\\\'\\\'\\\' Big Bad of Naruto. It seems to be going by Arc Villain, what if it continues after Madara?...\\\"
That\\\'s called a BigBadEnsemble. Just because it\\\'s called BigBad, it doesn\\\'t necessarly means he\\\'s the only one.
What you oversee is that every Akatsuki related arcs are about fulfilling the same EvilPlan, and that plan belongs to Madara. It\\\'s Madara\\\'s plan to take over the world that caused most of the conflicts of the story, starting from the Kyuubi\\\'s attack to individual Akatsuki member arcs, and to the Fourth Shinobi War. An ArcVillain is ArcVillain because he has important role (whether that role is active or inactive is irrelevant) only in his own StoryArc. Madara however is [[TheManBehindTheMan the man who\\\'s behind Tobi, who\\\'s behind Pain, who\\\'s behind Akatsuki]], tus he has important role in the entire series.
By the way [[TheRival Neji]] and [[HeroAntagonist Danzou]] were not villains.
\\\"I have said that Tobi was the Big Bad because he caused the most conflicts at a personal level, with Madara being the Bigger Bad, because, until Edo Tensei, we knew nothing about the real Madara.\\\"
Except BigBad and BiggerBad are not determined by stuff like this. The BigBad is the one who orchestrated the conflict. That role belongs to Madara, with Tobi acting as TheDragon for him. Just like just because Palpatine didn\\\'t have much importance in ANewHope and TheEmpireStrikesBack, he is still the BigBad of those movies as well.
\\\"Not to mention, he hasn\\\'t taken the seat yet\\\"
Again,that has nothing to do with determining a BigBad. Palpatine \\\"took seat\\\" in RevengeOfTheSith, but he\\\'s still the BigBad for ThePhantomMenace and AttackOfTheClones, becase the conflicts are part of his EvilPlan.
\\\"and Tobi has him by the throat. What if Tobi\\\'s blackmail comes into fruition and Madara fails before Tobi is out?\\\" Then what? Who does the label go to?\\\"
As I already said: there can be more than one {{Big Bad}} in a story. If Tobi turns against Madara, then he\\\'ll be TheStarscream and/or the DragonWithAnAgenda and if he succeeds in usurping Madara then he\\\'ll be the next BigBad. Right now the two is somewhere between a BigBadDuumvirate and a BigBad-TheDragon duo.
Read the trope description: \\\'\\\'\\\" \\\'\\\'\\\'the setting has a villainous presence that is more significant than the Big Bad in the setting as a whole, but isn\\\'t causing the conflict of the story\\\'\\\'\\\' (and may have little to do with it at all). Perhaps, it is an important Sealed Evil in a Can that never gets released, is simply unconcerned with current events, or is a mindless force that can\\\'t by any realistic stretch of the imagination be considered a character. Sometimes, the real Big Bad \\\'\\\'\\\'will seek to exploit or make use of it\\\'\\\'\\\', or may pay lip service to it, though this doesn\\\'t always happen.\\\"\\\'\\\'
The Juubi is more powerful than either Madara or Tobi, but it isn\\\'t personally responisble for the conflict. Getting it is merely part of the EvilPlan, it\\\'s basicly a {{MacGuffin}}, that the villains need. The Juubi is not the cause of the conflict, but it\\\'s goal.
\\\"The Dark Side of the Force also wouldn\\\'t be considered a Bigger Bad, because if it weren\\\'t for that there wouldn\\\'t be any major conflict in Star Wars. I could make the argument that the Dark Side is the cause of conflict.\\\"
Again: Palpatine was the one who orchestrated the conflict. Yes, without the Dark Side, he wouldn\\\'t have been able to do it, but the Dark Side itself didn\\\'t cause any of the events. It\\\'s a mindless force, more powerful than the main villain, but it\\\'s inactive and has no direct influence over the events.
\\\"In fact, now that I look at it, there doesn\\\'t even seem to be \\\'\\\'\\\'a\\\'\\\'\\\' Big Bad of Naruto. It seems to be going by Arc Villain, what if it continues after Madara?...\\\"
That\\\'s called a BigBadEnsemble. Just because it\\\'s called BigBad, it doesn\\\'t necessarly means he\\\'s the only one.
What you oversee is that every Akatsuki related arcs are about fulfilling the same EvilPlan, and that plan belongs to Madara. It\\\'s Madara\\\'s plan to take over the world that caused most of the conflicts of the story, starting from the Kyuubi\\\'s attack to individual Akatsuki member arcs, and to the Fourth Shinobi War. An ArcVillain is ArcVillain because he has important role (whether that role is active or inactive is irrelevant) only in his own StoryArc. Madara however is [[TheManBehindTheMan the man who\\\'s behind Tobi, who\\\'s behind Pain, who\\\'s behind Akatsuki]], tus he has important role in the entire series.
By the way [[TheRival Neji]] and [[HeroAntagonist Danzou]] were not villains.
\\\"I have said that Tobi was the Big Bad because he caused the most conflicts at a personal level, with Madara being the Bigger Bad, because, until Edo Tensei, we knew nothing about the real Madara.\\\"
Except BigBad and BiggerBad are not determined by stuff like this. The BigBad is the one who orchestrated the conflict. That role belongs to Madara, with Tobi acting as TheDragon for him. Just like just because Palpatine didn\\\'t have much importance in ANewHope and TheEmpireStrikesBack, he is still the BigBad of those movies as well.
\\\"Not to mention, he hasn\\\'t taken the seat yet\\\"
Again,that has nothing to do with determining a BigBad. Palpatine \\\"took seat\\\" in RevengeOfTheSith, but he\\\'s still the BigBad for ThePhantomMenace and AttackOfTheClones, becase the conflicts are part of his EvilPlan.
\\\"and Tobi has him by the throat. What if Tobi\\\'s blackmail comes into fruition and Madara fails before Tobi is out?\\\" Then what? Who does the label go to?\\\"
As I already said: there can be more than one {{Big Bad}} in a story. If Tobi turns against Madara, then he\\\'ll be TheStarscream and/or the DragonWithAnAgenda and if he succeeds in usurping Madara then he\\\'ll be the next BigBad. Right now the two is somewhere between a BigBadDuumvirate and a BigBad-TheDragon duo.
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\\\"The Juubi has tons to do with the story. If it weren\\\'t for it, then the conflict wouldn\\\'t exist.\\\"
Read the trope description: \\\'\\\'\\\" \\\'\\\'\\\'the setting has a villainous presence that is more significant than the Big Bad in the setting as a whole, but isn\\\'t causing the conflict of the story\\\'\\\'\\\' (and may have little to do with it at all). Perhaps, it is an important Sealed Evil in a Can that never gets released, is simply unconcerned with current events, or is a mindless force that can\\\'t by any realistic stretch of the imagination be considered a character. Sometimes, the real Big Bad \\\'\\\'\\\'will seek to exploit or make use of it\\\'\\\'\\\', or may pay lip service to it, though this doesn\\\'t always happen.\\\"\\\'\\\'
The Juubi is more powerful than either Madara or Tobi, but it isn\\\'t personally responisble for the conflict. Getting it is merely part of the EvilPlan, it\\\'s basicly a {{MacGuffin}}, that the villains need. The Juubi is not the cause of the conflict, but it\\\'s goal.
\\\"The Dark Side of the Force also wouldn\\\'t be considered a Bigger Bad, because if it weren\\\'t for that there wouldn\\\'t be any major conflict in Star Wars. I could make the argument that the Dark Side is the cause of conflict.\\\"
Again: Palpatine was the one who orchestrated the conflict. Yes, without the Dark Side, he wouldn\\\'t have been able to do it, but the Dark Side itself didn\\\'t cause any of the events. It\\\'s a mindless force, more powerful than the main villain, but it\\\'s inactive and has no direct influence over the events.
\\\"In fact, now that I look at it, there doesn\\\'t even seem to be \\\'\\\'\\\'a\\\'\\\'\\\' Big Bad of Naruto. It seems to be going by Arc Villain, what if it continues after Madara?...\\\"
That\\\'s called a BigBadEnsemble. Just because it\\\'s called BigBad, it doesn\\\'t necessarly means he\\\'s the only one.
What you oversee is that every Akatsuki related arcs are about fulfilling the same EvilPlan, and that plan belongs to Madara. It\\\'s Madara\\\'s plan to take over the world that caused most of the conflicts of the story, starting from the Kyuubi\\\'s attack to individual Akatsuki member arcs, and to the Fourth Shinobi War. An ArcVillain is ArcVillain because he has important role (whether that role is active or inactive is irrelevant) only in his own StoryArc. Madara however is [[TheManBehindTheMan the man who\\\'s behind Tobi, who\\\'s behind Pain, who\\\'s behind Akatsuki]], tus he has important role in the entire series.
By the way [[TheRival Neji]] and [[HeroAntagonist Danzou]] were not villains.
\\\"I have said that Tobi was the Big Bad because he caused the most conflicts at a personal level, with Madara being the Bigger Bad, because, until Edo Tensei, we knew nothing about the real Madara.\\\"
Except BigBad and BiggerBad are not determined by stuff like this. The BigBad is the one who orchestrated the conflict. That role belongs to Madara, with Tobi acting as TheDragon for him. Just like just because Palpatine didn\\\'t have much importance in ANewHope and TheEmpireStrikesBack, he is still the BigBad of those movies as well.
\\\"Not to mention, he hasn\\\'t taken the seat yet\\\"
Again,that has nothing to do with determining a BigBad. Palpatine \\\"took seat\\\" in RevengeOfTheSith, but he\\\'s still the BigBad for ThePhantomMenace and AttackOfTheClones, becase the conflicts are part of his EvilPlan.
\\\"and Tobi has him by the throat. What if Tobi\\\'s blackmail comes into fruition and Madara fails before Tobi is out?\\\" Then what? Who does the label go to?\\\"
As I already said: there can be more than one {{Big Bad}} in a story. If Tobi turns against Madara, then he\\\'ll be TheStarcream and/or the DragonWithAnAgenda and if he succeeds in usurping Madara then he\\\'ll be the next BigBad. Right now the two is somewhere between a BigBadDuumvirate and a BigBad-TheDragon duo.
Read the trope description: \\\'\\\'\\\" \\\'\\\'\\\'the setting has a villainous presence that is more significant than the Big Bad in the setting as a whole, but isn\\\'t causing the conflict of the story\\\'\\\'\\\' (and may have little to do with it at all). Perhaps, it is an important Sealed Evil in a Can that never gets released, is simply unconcerned with current events, or is a mindless force that can\\\'t by any realistic stretch of the imagination be considered a character. Sometimes, the real Big Bad \\\'\\\'\\\'will seek to exploit or make use of it\\\'\\\'\\\', or may pay lip service to it, though this doesn\\\'t always happen.\\\"\\\'\\\'
The Juubi is more powerful than either Madara or Tobi, but it isn\\\'t personally responisble for the conflict. Getting it is merely part of the EvilPlan, it\\\'s basicly a {{MacGuffin}}, that the villains need. The Juubi is not the cause of the conflict, but it\\\'s goal.
\\\"The Dark Side of the Force also wouldn\\\'t be considered a Bigger Bad, because if it weren\\\'t for that there wouldn\\\'t be any major conflict in Star Wars. I could make the argument that the Dark Side is the cause of conflict.\\\"
Again: Palpatine was the one who orchestrated the conflict. Yes, without the Dark Side, he wouldn\\\'t have been able to do it, but the Dark Side itself didn\\\'t cause any of the events. It\\\'s a mindless force, more powerful than the main villain, but it\\\'s inactive and has no direct influence over the events.
\\\"In fact, now that I look at it, there doesn\\\'t even seem to be \\\'\\\'\\\'a\\\'\\\'\\\' Big Bad of Naruto. It seems to be going by Arc Villain, what if it continues after Madara?...\\\"
That\\\'s called a BigBadEnsemble. Just because it\\\'s called BigBad, it doesn\\\'t necessarly means he\\\'s the only one.
What you oversee is that every Akatsuki related arcs are about fulfilling the same EvilPlan, and that plan belongs to Madara. It\\\'s Madara\\\'s plan to take over the world that caused most of the conflicts of the story, starting from the Kyuubi\\\'s attack to individual Akatsuki member arcs, and to the Fourth Shinobi War. An ArcVillain is ArcVillain because he has important role (whether that role is active or inactive is irrelevant) only in his own StoryArc. Madara however is [[TheManBehindTheMan the man who\\\'s behind Tobi, who\\\'s behind Pain, who\\\'s behind Akatsuki]], tus he has important role in the entire series.
By the way [[TheRival Neji]] and [[HeroAntagonist Danzou]] were not villains.
\\\"I have said that Tobi was the Big Bad because he caused the most conflicts at a personal level, with Madara being the Bigger Bad, because, until Edo Tensei, we knew nothing about the real Madara.\\\"
Except BigBad and BiggerBad are not determined by stuff like this. The BigBad is the one who orchestrated the conflict. That role belongs to Madara, with Tobi acting as TheDragon for him. Just like just because Palpatine didn\\\'t have much importance in ANewHope and TheEmpireStrikesBack, he is still the BigBad of those movies as well.
\\\"Not to mention, he hasn\\\'t taken the seat yet\\\"
Again,that has nothing to do with determining a BigBad. Palpatine \\\"took seat\\\" in RevengeOfTheSith, but he\\\'s still the BigBad for ThePhantomMenace and AttackOfTheClones, becase the conflicts are part of his EvilPlan.
\\\"and Tobi has him by the throat. What if Tobi\\\'s blackmail comes into fruition and Madara fails before Tobi is out?\\\" Then what? Who does the label go to?\\\"
As I already said: there can be more than one {{Big Bad}} in a story. If Tobi turns against Madara, then he\\\'ll be TheStarcream and/or the DragonWithAnAgenda and if he succeeds in usurping Madara then he\\\'ll be the next BigBad. Right now the two is somewhere between a BigBadDuumvirate and a BigBad-TheDragon duo.
