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* In \'\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\'\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \
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* In \\\'\\\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\\\'\\\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \\\"Fort Knox\\\" size. But even assuming the weight is correct, 14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using. Then again, 14,000 bars, at only 12 to a box, would require over 1,100 boxes--seemingly a lot more than is in the pile.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avoirdupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"transport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.15 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50.
*\\\"in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce\\\"
** That was the US price. Crapgame is working with the \\\'\\\'Paris\\\'\\\' free market price, which could fluctuate somewhat, although it would have been near [=USD=] $35. per troy ounce. This is further supported at the end of the movie, when Crapgame is quizzing Wilson; he gives the value of each box of 8 bars as $8,400, or $1,050 a bar. Either the bars are a bit short of a kilogram, or the Paris price for gold wasn\\\'t exactly $35.00 per troy ounce. Or both.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count.
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]; this follows from the fact that dividing 16 million by 875,000 yields 18 shares), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avoirdupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"transport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.15 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50.
*\\\"in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce\\\"
** That was the US price. Crapgame is working with the \\\'\\\'Paris\\\'\\\' free market price, which could fluctuate somewhat, although it would have been near [=USD=] $35. per troy ounce. This is further supported at the end of the movie, when Crapgame is quizzing Wilson; he gives the value of each box of 8 bars as $8,400, or $1,050 a bar. Either the bars are a bit short of a kilogram, or the Paris price for gold wasn\\\'t exactly $35.00 per troy ounce. Or both.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count.
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]; this follows from the fact that dividing 16 million by 875,000 yields 18 shares), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
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* In \'\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\'\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \
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* In \\\'\\\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\\\'\\\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \\\"Fort Knox\\\" size. But even assuming the weight is correct, 14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using. Then again, 14,000 bars, at only 12 to a box, would require over 1,100 boxes--seemingly a lot more than is in the pile.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avoirdupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"transport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.15 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50. This is further supported at the end of the movie, when Crapgame is quizzing Wilson(?); he gives the value of each box as $8,400, or $1,050 a bar. Either the bars are a bit short of a kilogram, or the Paris price for gold wasn\\\'t exactly $35.00 per troy ounce. Or both.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count, considering the 16 Million figure is specifically stated to be \\\"an estimate\\\".
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avoirdupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"transport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.15 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50. This is further supported at the end of the movie, when Crapgame is quizzing Wilson(?); he gives the value of each box as $8,400, or $1,050 a bar. Either the bars are a bit short of a kilogram, or the Paris price for gold wasn\\\'t exactly $35.00 per troy ounce. Or both.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count, considering the 16 Million figure is specifically stated to be \\\"an estimate\\\".
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
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* In \'\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\'\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \
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* In \\\'\\\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\\\'\\\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \\\"Fort Knox\\\" size. But even assuming the weight is correct, 14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using. Then again, 14,000 bars, at only 12 to a box, would require over 1,100 boxes--seemingly a lot more than is in the pile.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avoirdupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"transport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.1 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count, considering the 16 Million figure is specifically stated to be \\\"an estimate\\\".
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avoirdupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"transport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.1 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count, considering the 16 Million figure is specifically stated to be \\\"an estimate\\\".
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
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* In \'\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\'\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \
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* In \\\'\\\'{{Kellys Heroes}}\\\'\\\', the number of gold bars stated in the heist is 14,000. The initial value of the stolen bars was estimated at $1.6 million and then later corrected to be estimated at $16 million in total. The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces and in 1944, the price of gold was $35 dollars per (troy) ounce. That would make approximated total value of the score to be closer to $196 million dollars; not $16 million dollars as stated. Also, 14,000 gold bars, valued at $16M, equals about $1,143 per bar. At the long-standing price of $35/troy ounce, the bars would have had to weigh only 32.6 oz (almost 36 oz avoirdupois) each--probably a gross understatement, even though the bars are clearly much smaller than the standard \\\"Fort Knox\\\" size. But even assuming the weight is correct, 14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using. Then again, 14,000 bars, at only 12 to a box, would require over 1,100 boxes--seemingly a lot more than is in the pile.
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Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avordupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"tranport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.1 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count, considering the 16 Million figure is specifically stated to be \\\"an estimate\\\".
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
----
Taking the statements individually:
* \\\"The international standard weight for gold bars is 400 troy ounces\\\"
** That\\\'s the standard \\\"Good Delivery\\\" gold bar held as reserves by banks and governments. Each reserve bar weighs roughly 27 pounds (avordupois). That\\\'s \\\'\\\'clearly\\\'\\\' not what these were, considering that neither the Nazi courier nor Kelly or anyone else has any problem picking up or carrying one one-handed, nor do they have any difficulty moving boxes that contain 8 of them (which would weigh at least 220 pounds if they were the Reserve bars) The bars in the movie were \\\"tranport\\\" bars. These are most often what are called \\\"kilobars\\\" -- 1000 grams, or 2.2 pounds avoirdupois, or 32.1 troy ounces -- and if so, at $35.00 per troy ounce, each bar would be worth about $1,123.50.
* 14,000 bars would be worth \\\"closer to $196 million dollars\\\".
** Presuming they were transport kilobars, and that the gold price was $35 per troy ounce, 14,000 of them would be worth $15,729.000. That\\\'s certainly close enough to $16,000,000 to count, considering the 16 Million figure is specifically stated to be \\\"an estimate\\\".
* \\\"14,000 bars would weigh almost 16 tons (not counting boxes, men and equipment)--well beyond the capacity of the truck they were using.\\\"
** That would be true, \\\'\\\'if\\\'\\\' Kelly\\\'s group was taking all of them. But they aren\\\'t. The deal offered to the Tiger commander is \\\"an equal share\\\"; Crapgame later states that \\\"After splitting with Oddball and the German, we should have 125 \\\'\\\'boxes\\\'\\\' left.\\\" It\\\'s safe to assume, from the shots of the box they break open and the way the various men are carrying them, that each box has 8 2.2 pound bars, and weighs around 20 pounds, allowing for the weight of the box itself. The truck, therefore, is carrying not 16 tons of gold and boxes, but 2500 pounds, \\\'\\\'1.25 tons\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' of gold and boxes, easily within the capacity of a truck that size, even with the 12 remaining men and their gear.
That\\\'s not to say that all the math stands up; it doesn\\\'t. At eight bars to the box, there should be 1750 boxes, total, and after splitting with Oddball and his four remaining crewmen and the German (\\\'\\\'only the tank commander\\\'\\\' gets a share; his four crewmen are [=SOL=]), there should be 1167 boxes left -- 97 for each man. But The LawOfConservationOfDetail and the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief now come into play: With the tension building as the General approaches and enters the town, the accuracy in math is sacrificed because 10 men (first there\\\'s a lookout posted on the edge of town, then Big Joe goes to talk to the mayor; and Crapgame is out of commission with a gunshot leg) wouldn\\\'t be able to load that number of boxes in the time remaining. Oddball wouldn\\\'t be able to fit nearly 500 boxes into the tank. The number of boxes was scaled down by a factor of ten to make the story work better.
