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\\\"The portrayal may not be something any sane reader or viewer thinks is good BUT it\\\'s when the writer portrays a torturer as heroic and yet can\\\'t evoke Black And Gray Morality.\\\"
And yet.... we have examples like Jack Bauer and Batman on the list? I am sorry, but were we watching the same episodes of 24? Because more than once is it made *DAMN* clear - which is pretty shocking in and of itself considering how ludicrously biased the show is- that what Bauer does is by no means pretty or on morally sound ground. Perhaps on *more* morally sound ground than the alternatives, but by no means free and untainted. Which is practically THE DEFINITION of Black And Gray Morality.
And Batman..... even The Dark Knight practically spells out that the Bat is- while far more indisputably heroic than Bauer- still very much a Well Intentioned Extremist whose main redeeming features are the circumstances in which he operates, that even he has standards, and his intentions. And even then (and this is practically *THE.* *ENTIRE.* *POINT.* *OF.* the scene with Lucius Fox at the end regarding the use of the sonar-like cellphone technology), he does very, very morally dubious things.
In short, there is a terminal contradiction here between the article\\\'s definition and its\\\' examples. Which means that we basically have three choices:
1. Throw at least large segments of the definition out the window in order to make it more neutral and allow for Well Intention Extremists and shades of Gray rather than being only for Card Carrying Villains.
2. Scrap the aforementioned examples and ones like them and keep them primarily for Designated Heroes only.
3. Do two but make another page for more ambiguous examples.
Because seriously, does this article really do anything any justice to either those specified examples and the treatment of them by their writers or- and FAR more importantly- to this website as a whole?
And yet.... we have examples like Jack Bauer and Batman on the list? I am sorry, but were we watching the same episodes of 24? Because more than once is it made *DAMN* clear - which is pretty shocking in and of itself considering how ludicrously biased the show is- that what Bauer does is by no means pretty or on morally sound ground. Perhaps on *more* morally sound ground than the alternatives, but by no means free and untainted. Which is practically THE DEFINITION of Black And Gray Morality.
And Batman..... even The Dark Knight practically spells out that the Bat is- while far more indisputably heroic than Bauer- still very much a Well Intentioned Extremist whose main redeeming features are the circumstances in which he operates, that even he has standards, and his intentions. And even then (and this is practically *THE.* *ENTIRE.* *POINT.* *OF.* the scene with Lucius Fox at the end regarding the use of the sonar-like cellphone technology), he does very, very morally dubious things.
In short, there is a terminal contradiction here between the article\\\'s definition and its\\\' examples. Which means that we basically have three choices:
1. Throw at least large segments of the definition out the window in order to make it more neutral and allow for Well Intention Extremists and shades of Gray rather than being only for Card Carrying Villains.
2. Scrap the aforementioned examples and ones like them and keep them primarily for Designated Heroes only.
3. Do two but make another page for more ambiguous examples.
Because seriously, does this article really do anything any justice to either those specified examples and the treatment of them by their writers or- and FAR more importantly- to this website as a whole?
