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\'\'basically, it\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \
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\\\'\\\'basically, it\\\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\\\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\\\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \\\"experts\\\" on DID and who may or may not be entirely scrupulous. It\\\'s very complicated, and there are some great articles out there arguing for each side if you\\\'re interested in learning more. Just don\\\'t expect the debate to be resolved any time soon. Oh, and ignore any article that uses electoencephalogram (EEG) evidence or similar as proof, for either side; it\\\'s been shown repeatedly that these measures are not suitable for research regarding \\\"personality\\\" as a construct. However, \\\'\\\'outside\\\'\\\' North America, there is a definitive set of disorders called Dissociative Disorders which result from the mind disassociating abusive or traumatic stimuli (physical or psychological), particularly at any point before 18 years old (where the personality is not fully defined). Dissociative and psychotic fugues, amnesia and states of depersonalisation \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' valid disorders and are diagnosed via criteria in the DSMV-IV, with manifestations of ulterior aspects of a single personality in ways unnoticed by the individual\\\'s conscious mind. What in America is categorised as a definitive disorder with a set of specific symptomatic criterion, is interpreted by the rest of the world as a multi-faceted presentation of these different disorders in the same patient, which isn\\\'t so much unheard of or unreliably projected by iatrogenic interference, but rare. [[LampshadeHanging Thank you for reading this very extended footnote.]].\\\'\\\'

For one thing, that is \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\', even for a hottip. There comes a point in any technically-themed trope where the discussion of a controversial sticking point starts [[SignalToNoiseTrainWreck drowning out the trope itself]], and even hottip formatting has to draw the line when the hottip\\\'s bigger than the rest of the article. It\\\'s also showing signs of WikiSchizophrenia, with different pros and cons of the diagnosis and related disorders going back and forth, which is probably why it\\\'s gotten so long. And just having the TheOtherWiki\\\'s link in lieu of all this ensures that, if anyone wants to know the details, they\\\'re likely to get the latest updates on the topic.
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\'\'basically, it\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \
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\\\'\\\'basically, it\\\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\\\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\\\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \\\"experts\\\" on DID and who may or may not be entirely scrupulous. It\\\'s very complicated, and there are some great articles out there arguing for each side if you\\\'re interested in learning more. Just don\\\'t expect the debate to be resolved any time soon. Oh, and ignore any article that uses electoencephalogram (EEG) evidence or similar as proof, for either side; it\\\'s been shown repeatedly that these measures are not suitable for research regarding \\\"personality\\\" as a construct. However, \\\'\\\'outside\\\'\\\' North America, there is a definitive set of disorders called Dissociative Disorders which result from the mind disassociating abusive or traumatic stimuli (physical or psychological), particularly at any point before 18 years old (where the personality is not fully defined). Dissociative and psychotic fugues, amnesia and states of depersonalisation \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' valid disorders and are diagnosed via criteria in the DSMV-IV, with manifestations of ulterior aspects of a single personality in ways unnoticed by the individual\\\'s conscious mind. What in America is categorised as a definitive disorder with a set of specific symptomatic criterion, is interpreted by the rest of the world as a multi-faceted presentation of these different disorders in the same patient, which isn\\\'t so much unheard of or unreliably projected by iatrogenic interference, but rare. [[LampshadeHanging Thank you for reading this very extended footnote.]].\\\'\\\'

For one thing, that is \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\', even for a hottip. There comes a point in any technically-themed trope where [[SignalToNoiseTrainWreck the discussion of a controversial sticking point starts drowning out the trope itself]], and even hottip formatting has to draw the line when the hottip\\\'s bigger than the rest of the article. It\\\'s also showing signs of WikiSchizophrenia, with different pros and cons of the diagnosis and related disorders going back and forth, which is probably why it\\\'s gotten so long. And just having the TheOtherWiki\\\'s link in lieu of all this ensures that, if anyone wants to know the details, they\\\'re likely to get the latest updates on the topic.
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Replaced a ginormous hottip with a link to the Wikipedia article DID controversy, for a few reasons...
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Replaced a ginormous hottip with a link to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder#Controversy the Wikipedia article DID controversy]], for a few reasons...
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\'\'basically, it\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \
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\\\'\\\'basically, it\\\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\\\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\\\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \\\"experts\\\" on DID and who may or may not be entirely scrupulous. It\\\'s very complicated, and there are some great articles out there arguing for each side if you\\\'re interested in learning more. Just don\\\'t expect the debate to be resolved any time soon. Oh, and ignore any article that uses electoencephalogram (EEG) evidence or similar as proof, for either side; it\\\'s been shown repeatedly that these measures are not suitable for research regarding \\\"personality\\\" as a construct. However, \\\'\\\'outside\\\'\\\' North America, there is a definitive set of disorders called Dissociative Disorders which result from the mind disassociating abusive or traumatic stimuli (physical or psychological), particularly at any point before 18 years old (where the personality is not fully defined). Dissociative and psychotic fugues, amnesia and states of depersonalisation \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' valid disorders and are diagnosed via criteria in the DSMV-IV, with manifestations of ulterior aspects of a single personality in ways unnoticed by the individual\\\'s conscious mind. What in America is categorised as a definitive disorder with a set of specific symptomatic criterion, is interpreted by the rest of the world as a multi-faceted presentation of these different disorders in the same patient, which isn\\\'t so much unheard of or unreliably projected by iatrogenic interference, but rare. [[LampshadeHanging Thank you for reading this very extended footnote.]].\\\'\\\'

For one thing, that is \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\', even for a hottip. There comes a point in any technical trope where [[SignalToNoiseTrainWreck the discussion of a technical sticking point starts drowning out the trope itself]], and even hottip formatting has to draw the line when the hottip\\\'s bigger than the rest of the article. It\\\'s also showing signs of WikiSchizophrenia, with different pros and cons of the diagnosis and related disorders going back and forth, which is probably why it\\\'s gotten so long. And just having the TheOtherWiki\\\'s link in lieu of all this ensures that, if anyone wants to know the details, they\\\'re likely to get the latest updates on the topic.
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[[quoteblock]]basically, it\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \
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\\\'\\\'basically, it\\\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\\\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\\\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \\\"experts\\\" on DID and who may or may not be entirely scrupulous. It\\\'s very complicated, and there are some great articles out there arguing for each side if you\\\'re interested in learning more. Just don\\\'t expect the debate to be resolved any time soon. Oh, and ignore any article that uses electoencephalogram (EEG) evidence or similar as proof, for either side; it\\\'s been shown repeatedly that these measures are not suitable for research regarding \\\"personality\\\" as a construct. However, \\\'\\\'outside\\\'\\\' North America, there is a definitive set of disorders called Dissociative Disorders which result from the mind disassociating abusive or traumatic stimuli (physical or psychological), particularly at any point before 18 years old (where the personality is not fully defined). Dissociative and psychotic fugues, amnesia and states of depersonalisation \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' valid disorders and are diagnosed via criteria in the DSMV-IV, with manifestations of ulterior aspects of a single personality in ways unnoticed by the individual\\\'s conscious mind. What in America is categorised as a definitive disorder with a set of specific symptomatic criterion, is interpreted by the rest of the world as a multi-faceted presentation of these different disorders in the same patient, which isn\\\'t so much unheard of or unreliably projected by iatrogenic interference, but rare. [[LampshadeHanging Thank you for reading this very extended footnote.]].\\\'\\\'

For one thing, that is \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\', even for a hottip. There comes a point in any technical trope where [[SignalToNoiseTrainWreck the discussion of a technical sticking point starts drowning out the trope itself]], and even hottip formatting has to draw the line when the hottip\\\'s bigger than the rest of the article. It\\\'s also showing signs of WikiSchizophrenia, with different pros and cons of the diagnosis and related disorders going back and forth, which is probably why it\\\'s gotten so long. And just having the TheOtherWiki\\\'s link in lieu of all this ensures that, if anyone wants to know the details, they\\\'re likely to get the latest updates on the topic.
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[[quoteblock]]basically, it\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \
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[[quoteblock]]basically, it\\\'s thought that the vast majority of people who claim to have it are either faking for some purpose, or have been the victim of something called iatrogenic artifact, which is when someone is (usually by accident) made to believe that they do have the disorder, and begin to behave in accordance with the diagnosis due to a mechanism related to the placebo effect. Even if it is a real disorder, it\\\'s thought to be vastly overdiagnosed, with the majority of cases being fake or the result of aforementioned iatrogenesis. Even if DID does exist, it almost never happens to people who aren\\\'t white, wealthy, and from a Western, first-world, English-speaking nation, usually the USA; many people have argued that this makes it a cultural abberation, such as exist in many societies, rather than a legitimate psychological disorder. In addition, many studies have shown that as many as 80% of cases found in these countries were found by the same very small group of psychologists, usually people who actively advertise themselves as \\\"experts\\\" on DID and who may or may not be entirely scrupulous. It\\\'s very complicated, and there are some great articles out there arguing for each side if you\\\'re interested in learning more. Just don\\\'t expect the debate to be resolved any time soon. Oh, and ignore any article that uses electoencephalogram (EEG) evidence or similar as proof, for either side; it\\\'s been shown repeatedly that these measures are not suitable for research regarding \\\"personality\\\" as a construct. However, \\\'\\\'outside\\\'\\\' North America, there is a definitive set of disorders called Dissociative Disorders which result from the mind disassociating abusive or traumatic stimuli (physical or psychological), particularly at any point before 18 years old (where the personality is not fully defined). Dissociative and psychotic fugues, amnesia and states of depersonalisation \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' valid disorders and are diagnosed via criteria in the DSMV-IV, with manifestations of ulterior aspects of a single personality in ways unnoticed by the individual\\\'s conscious mind. What in America is categorised as a definitive disorder with a set of specific symptomatic criterion, is interpreted by the rest of the world as a multi-faceted presentation of these different disorders in the same patient, which isn\\\'t so much unheard of or unreliably projected by iatrogenic interference, but rare. [[LampshadeHanging Thank you for reading this very extended footnote.]].[[/quoteblock]]

For one thing, that is \\\'\\\'huge\\\'\\\', even for a hottip. There comes a point in any technical trope where [[SignalToNoiseTrainWreck the discussion of a technical sticking point starts drowning out the trope itself]], and even hottip formatting has to draw the line when the hottip\\\'s bigger than the rest of the article. It\\\'s also showing signs of WikiSchizophrenia, with different pros and cons of the diagnosis and related disorders going back and forth, which is probably why it\\\'s gotten so long. And just having the TheOtherWiki\\\'s link in lieu of all this ensures that, if anyone wants to know the details, they\\\'re likely to get the latest updates on the topic.
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\\\"Nationalism\\\" or National Self-Determination is not the same thing as fascism and it isn\\\'t \\\'\\\'in and of itself\\\'\\\' a political ideology. It is obviously an essential component to Fascism (i.e. \\\"national selves\\\") but it doesn\\\'t say much beyond that.

I am aware of the Marxist definition of Capitalism. Indeed, I described it in the Socialism section. And yes, I agree with you that your understanding of Marxism is correct.

As for Fascism and Marxism having similarities, I should add that the entire section is not preoccupied with finding common ground between Marxism and Fascism. The fact is that there \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' common ground \\\'\\\'philosophically speaking\\\'\\\'. Both are products of German Idealism (Hegel-Marx being the Marxism angle, and Fichte-Hegel being the Fascism angle). Both are indeed ideologies which see a dominant role for the State (albiet Marxism believes the State will whither away eventually). Both are collectivist and both are against classical liberalism.

I am more than happy to clarify further the difference between Fascism and Marxism. Your point about profit is indeed valid and I will insert it into the article. I have always aimed for this article to be neutral.

\\\'\\\'\\\'UPDATE\\\'\\\'\\\': I have included a section in the Fascism section which outlines the Marxist critique of Fascism. I believe it is fair and factual.


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