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* \'\'TheRockyHorrorPictureShow\'\'. Intentionally, it was supposed to be SoBadItsGood. That was one of the reasons it attracted a cult following. The other reason was that it appealed to gays, bisexuals, transvestites, and just plain \
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* \\\'\\\'TheRockyHorrorPictureShow\\\'\\\'. Intentionally, it was supposed to be SoBadItsGood. That was one of the reasons it attracted a cult following. The other reason was that it appealed to gays, bisexuals, transvestites, and just plain \\\"weirdos\\\" back in the 1970s. Thirty (and more) years later, there\\\'s less of a stigma against those groups, not to mention there have been countless other cult films released since then, which leads some people to ask \\\"What\\\'s the big deal?\\\".
** Also, what made it so enduring was the \\\'\\\'audience participation\\\'\\\'. Roger Ebert said it best: this wasn\\\'t a movie so much as a long-running social phenomenon. Put on a silly costume, head to the theater with your friends, \\\'\\\'be\\\'\\\' the show, bring in some unwitting newbies in the process, and a great time had by all. If you\\\'re just \\\'\\\'watching\\\'\\\' the dang \\\'ol thing at home, well, nothing special about it even if you are into transvestism and bisexuality and whatnot.
I\\\'m not sure RHPS falls into this trope at all.
* \\\'\\\'ASongOfIceAndFire\\\'\\\' is starting to get this. While there are still few imitators, they are starting to show up, and its style of mature, gritty, realistic, deconstructed fantasy is becoming less and less groundbreaking.
This is speculative; add it back when it\\\'s firmly no longer groundbreaking.
* \\\'\\\'Your Show of Shows\\\'\\\'.
Please elaborate
* Bill Bruford (of KingCrimson and {{Yes}}) and Neil Peart (of {{Rush}}Just as influential as Keith Moon\\\'s \\\"messy\\\" drumming is the use of multiple, varied time signatures over the course of a song. You can thank them for this.
I could not make head or tail of this.
* RageAgainstTheMachine have been able to avert this. Their Music remained popular long after Their break up and,while many Bands such as Green Day make half hearted attempts at social statements,none have ever come within a hundred feet of Zach De La Rocha\\\'s raw power or Tom Morello\\\'s highly Intelligent Lyrics
I like RAtM, but I didn\\\'t feel like dealing with the random Capitalization and missing spaces to rescue an aversion (which doesn\\\'t belong here) and a TakeThat against GreenDay.
** Bill Watterson, creator of \\\'\\\'CalvinAndHobbes\\\'\\\', [[http://ignatz.brinkster.net/cpeanuts01.html wrote this]] a few months before the end of \\\'\\\'Peanuts\\\'\\\'\\\' run:
--->\\\"Back when the comics were printed large enough that they could accommodate detailed, elaborate drawings, \\\"Peanuts\\\" was launched with an insultingly tiny format, designed so the panels could be stacked vertically if an editor wanted to run it in a single column. Schulz somehow turned this oppressive space restriction to his advantage, and developed a brilliant graphic shorthand and stylistic economy, innovations unrecognizable now that all comics are tiny and Schulz\\\'s solutions have been universally imitated.... By now, \\\"Peanuts\\\" is so thoroughly a part of the popular culture that one loses sight of how different the strip was from anything else 40 and 50 years ago.\\\"
Good quote but redundant.
* Shakespearean comedy in general is susceptable to this, especially to the high school students who just can\\\'t see the joke. If a modern reader has a good enough grasp on the English and the cultural context, most will be able to figure out that Shakespeare\\\'s comedies are strewn with clever wordplay (with copious innuendo) and the local equivalent of pop culture references.
That\\\'s more about it not being funny because LanguageMarchesOn or SocietyMarchesOn or some damn thing marches on, not because of this trope.
* A lot of people can\\\'t grasp why \\\'\\\'The Producers\\\'\\\' was such a hit or why it won so many Tonys, what with their choreography being stolen for almost every musical and numerous shows copying their raunchy style of humor.
** \\\'\\\'The Producers\\\'\\\' Although it could be argued that it doesn\\\'t fit this trope, since many people were not able to grasp why those things happened at the time, since it wasn\\\'t innovative when it was written (which should go without saying, since it was based on a 40-year-old movie).
If it doesn\\\'t fit the trope, [[CaptainObvious it shouldn\\\'t be listed]].
*** See also [[http://www.insaneabode.com/roboterotica/jokesexplained/jokes.html Jokes Explained]] and [[http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/jokes_explained_explained.php \\\'\\\'Jokes Explained\\\'\\\' Explained]]. Might just be taking it too far. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Or just far enough.]]
I don\\\'t want to lose the links
** In an old interview, BobNewhart commented that he frequented comedy clubs as a way of keeping up with the state of the industry. He claimed that he could usually pick out who would make it big in three years by figuring out who was being themselves on stage as opposed to all the people apeing the style of their favorite comedian.
Sorry, @/{{Schroeder}}. But it\\\'s only tangentially relevant.
** Also, what made it so enduring was the \\\'\\\'audience participation\\\'\\\'. Roger Ebert said it best: this wasn\\\'t a movie so much as a long-running social phenomenon. Put on a silly costume, head to the theater with your friends, \\\'\\\'be\\\'\\\' the show, bring in some unwitting newbies in the process, and a great time had by all. If you\\\'re just \\\'\\\'watching\\\'\\\' the dang \\\'ol thing at home, well, nothing special about it even if you are into transvestism and bisexuality and whatnot.
I\\\'m not sure RHPS falls into this trope at all.
* \\\'\\\'ASongOfIceAndFire\\\'\\\' is starting to get this. While there are still few imitators, they are starting to show up, and its style of mature, gritty, realistic, deconstructed fantasy is becoming less and less groundbreaking.
This is speculative; add it back when it\\\'s firmly no longer groundbreaking.
* \\\'\\\'Your Show of Shows\\\'\\\'.
Please elaborate
* Bill Bruford (of KingCrimson and {{Yes}}) and Neil Peart (of {{Rush}}Just as influential as Keith Moon\\\'s \\\"messy\\\" drumming is the use of multiple, varied time signatures over the course of a song. You can thank them for this.
I could not make head or tail of this.
* RageAgainstTheMachine have been able to avert this. Their Music remained popular long after Their break up and,while many Bands such as Green Day make half hearted attempts at social statements,none have ever come within a hundred feet of Zach De La Rocha\\\'s raw power or Tom Morello\\\'s highly Intelligent Lyrics
I like RAtM, but I didn\\\'t feel like dealing with the random Capitalization and missing spaces to rescue an aversion (which doesn\\\'t belong here) and a TakeThat against GreenDay.
** Bill Watterson, creator of \\\'\\\'CalvinAndHobbes\\\'\\\', [[http://ignatz.brinkster.net/cpeanuts01.html wrote this]] a few months before the end of \\\'\\\'Peanuts\\\'\\\'\\\' run:
--->\\\"Back when the comics were printed large enough that they could accommodate detailed, elaborate drawings, \\\"Peanuts\\\" was launched with an insultingly tiny format, designed so the panels could be stacked vertically if an editor wanted to run it in a single column. Schulz somehow turned this oppressive space restriction to his advantage, and developed a brilliant graphic shorthand and stylistic economy, innovations unrecognizable now that all comics are tiny and Schulz\\\'s solutions have been universally imitated.... By now, \\\"Peanuts\\\" is so thoroughly a part of the popular culture that one loses sight of how different the strip was from anything else 40 and 50 years ago.\\\"
Good quote but redundant.
* Shakespearean comedy in general is susceptable to this, especially to the high school students who just can\\\'t see the joke. If a modern reader has a good enough grasp on the English and the cultural context, most will be able to figure out that Shakespeare\\\'s comedies are strewn with clever wordplay (with copious innuendo) and the local equivalent of pop culture references.
That\\\'s more about it not being funny because LanguageMarchesOn or SocietyMarchesOn or some damn thing marches on, not because of this trope.
* A lot of people can\\\'t grasp why \\\'\\\'The Producers\\\'\\\' was such a hit or why it won so many Tonys, what with their choreography being stolen for almost every musical and numerous shows copying their raunchy style of humor.
** \\\'\\\'The Producers\\\'\\\' Although it could be argued that it doesn\\\'t fit this trope, since many people were not able to grasp why those things happened at the time, since it wasn\\\'t innovative when it was written (which should go without saying, since it was based on a 40-year-old movie).
If it doesn\\\'t fit the trope, [[CaptainObvious it shouldn\\\'t be listed]].
*** See also [[http://www.insaneabode.com/roboterotica/jokesexplained/jokes.html Jokes Explained]] and [[http://www.mezzacotta.net/singles/jokes_explained_explained.php \\\'\\\'Jokes Explained\\\'\\\' Explained]]. Might just be taking it too far. [[CrossesTheLineTwice Or just far enough.]]
I don\\\'t want to lose the links
** In an old interview, BobNewhart commented that he frequented comedy clubs as a way of keeping up with the state of the industry. He claimed that he could usually pick out who would make it big in three years by figuring out who was being themselves on stage as opposed to all the people apeing the style of their favorite comedian.
Sorry, @/{{Schroeder}}. But it\\\'s only tangentially relevant.
