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Plus, the Ultramarines entry in general seems to be \\\"Whinewhinewhinewhinewhine\\\" more than just explanation.
Should I cut some?
* Some \\\'\\\'{{Warhammer 40000}}\\\'\\\' fans think that the sudden elevation of the [[EldritchAbomination Necrons]] and their undying C\\\'tan masters to essentially the prime source of all evil in the universe - responsible even for Chaos, the force intrinsically opposed to the Necrons and the traditional BigBad of the setting - was an entire \\\'\\\'race\\\'\\\' of Wesleys. The insinuation that the C\\\'tan secretly rule a large part of the Imperium and are worshipped by a smaller but incredibly critical part has not helped this any.
** The new 5th Edition rules seem to be trying to rectify this, pointing out that the long hibernation coupled with the constant repairs to their bodies have turned many of them into mindless procedure-following automatons, and most Lords are so completely insane they think themselves immortal gods and build grand powerful bodies for them to inhabit and wage war with. Whether this removes the [[EldritchAbomination C\\\'tan]] from the fluff completely is uncertain at this point, but it appears Chaos is back as BigBad \\\'\\\'numero uno\\\'\\\'.
** The Tau could be considered another example of this trope. When they were first introduced they were young idealists with shiny new technology and anime-inspired mecha, needless to say many fans thought this didn\\\'t at all fit with the tone of the universe. The fact that they then continued to prosper and expand significantly whilst suffering no major set-backs in conflict with the other factions only served to reinforce the fans\\\' belief that Games Workshop had only introduced them to lure in young anime fans. With the release of their second Codex, however, they were \\\'darkened\\\' appropriately and made to seem less like a United Federation of Planets-esque utopia and more like an Orwellian police-state. Most fans have now come to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap accept the Tau]] as a legitimate part of the \\\'\\\'40k\\\'\\\' universe.
*** The lesson seems to be that in the messed-up CrapsackWorld of \\\'\\\'40k\\\'\\\', [=~It\\\'s Popular, Now it Sucks~=].
** Now there\\\'s the original Space Marines themselves, and the Ultramarines in particular. [[PowerCreepPowerSeep Codex Creep]] has made them more powerful on the tabletop, and for some reason the [[FanNickname Ultrasmurfs]] keep getting more hero units, more exposure and [[BoringInvincibleHero never seem to lose]]. It was even worse in the last edition; almost \\\'\\\'every single picture\\\'\\\' in the previous Codex was of the Ultramarines, with only a few pages to show that other chapters actually existed. The Space Wolves are being accused of even \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' Codex Creep, especially with one particular psychic power that\\\'s just [[GameBreaker begging for errata]], but... they\\\'re [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Viking werewolf space marines]], we just can\\\'t manifest the hate.
*** While we\\\'re at it: the Commander kit comes with six pauldron options. One blank, one with scroll-and-circle-for-insignia, one with a skull-faced eagle, one with a Crux Terminatus, one for the Deathwatch...\\\'\\\'guess which chapter insignia was on the sixth\\\'\\\'. (The Dark Angels were the only other chapter to get a reference in said kit, and that took the form of an unbelievably tiny little winged sword badge that was almost impossible to get off the sprue without surgical equipment.)
**** To be fair, the Dark Angels rule GW. Go to any 40k/Hobby store. Any one. You \\\'\\\'WILL\\\'\\\' find a Dark Angels fan. Also, they tend to be the only ones to actually succeed in their campaigns, due to the more experienced players using them.
*** A better explanation behind how much of the Wesley the Ultrasmurfs are: In most codexes, the armies get a sweeping generalization through most of the codex, and individual armies get a one paragraph summation regarding their basic structure. There are 30 chapters within the basic Space Marine codex. 29 of them have the one paragraph summation and a picture of a basic Space Marine. The entirety of the rest of the codex is dedicated specifically to the Ultrasmurfs. All of the stories involved in other codexes are usually battles that involve a lot of armies fighting together, and prevailing. There is precisely one chapter that gets referenced at all in the stories, and that\\\'s the Ultrasmurfs and the Ultrasmurfs only. It\\\'s no wonder that they\\\'re annoying the players with how much they get pushed.
Should I cut some?
* Some \\\'\\\'{{Warhammer 40000}}\\\'\\\' fans think that the sudden elevation of the [[EldritchAbomination Necrons]] and their undying C\\\'tan masters to essentially the prime source of all evil in the universe - responsible even for Chaos, the force intrinsically opposed to the Necrons and the traditional BigBad of the setting - was an entire \\\'\\\'race\\\'\\\' of Wesleys. The insinuation that the C\\\'tan secretly rule a large part of the Imperium and are worshipped by a smaller but incredibly critical part has not helped this any.
** The new 5th Edition rules seem to be trying to rectify this, pointing out that the long hibernation coupled with the constant repairs to their bodies have turned many of them into mindless procedure-following automatons, and most Lords are so completely insane they think themselves immortal gods and build grand powerful bodies for them to inhabit and wage war with. Whether this removes the [[EldritchAbomination C\\\'tan]] from the fluff completely is uncertain at this point, but it appears Chaos is back as BigBad \\\'\\\'numero uno\\\'\\\'.
** The Tau could be considered another example of this trope. When they were first introduced they were young idealists with shiny new technology and anime-inspired mecha, needless to say many fans thought this didn\\\'t at all fit with the tone of the universe. The fact that they then continued to prosper and expand significantly whilst suffering no major set-backs in conflict with the other factions only served to reinforce the fans\\\' belief that Games Workshop had only introduced them to lure in young anime fans. With the release of their second Codex, however, they were \\\'darkened\\\' appropriately and made to seem less like a United Federation of Planets-esque utopia and more like an Orwellian police-state. Most fans have now come to [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap accept the Tau]] as a legitimate part of the \\\'\\\'40k\\\'\\\' universe.
*** The lesson seems to be that in the messed-up CrapsackWorld of \\\'\\\'40k\\\'\\\', [=~It\\\'s Popular, Now it Sucks~=].
** Now there\\\'s the original Space Marines themselves, and the Ultramarines in particular. [[PowerCreepPowerSeep Codex Creep]] has made them more powerful on the tabletop, and for some reason the [[FanNickname Ultrasmurfs]] keep getting more hero units, more exposure and [[BoringInvincibleHero never seem to lose]]. It was even worse in the last edition; almost \\\'\\\'every single picture\\\'\\\' in the previous Codex was of the Ultramarines, with only a few pages to show that other chapters actually existed. The Space Wolves are being accused of even \\\'\\\'more\\\'\\\' Codex Creep, especially with one particular psychic power that\\\'s just [[GameBreaker begging for errata]], but... they\\\'re [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Viking werewolf space marines]], we just can\\\'t manifest the hate.
*** While we\\\'re at it: the Commander kit comes with six pauldron options. One blank, one with scroll-and-circle-for-insignia, one with a skull-faced eagle, one with a Crux Terminatus, one for the Deathwatch...\\\'\\\'guess which chapter insignia was on the sixth\\\'\\\'. (The Dark Angels were the only other chapter to get a reference in said kit, and that took the form of an unbelievably tiny little winged sword badge that was almost impossible to get off the sprue without surgical equipment.)
**** To be fair, the Dark Angels rule GW. Go to any 40k/Hobby store. Any one. You \\\'\\\'WILL\\\'\\\' find a Dark Angels fan. Also, they tend to be the only ones to actually succeed in their campaigns, due to the more experienced players using them.
*** A better explanation behind how much of the Wesley the Ultrasmurfs are: In most codexes, the armies get a sweeping generalization through most of the codex, and individual armies get a one paragraph summation regarding their basic structure. There are 30 chapters within the basic Space Marine codex. 29 of them have the one paragraph summation and a picture of a basic Space Marine. The entirety of the rest of the codex is dedicated specifically to the Ultrasmurfs. All of the stories involved in other codexes are usually battles that involve a lot of armies fighting together, and prevailing. There is precisely one chapter that gets referenced at all in the stories, and that\\\'s the Ultrasmurfs and the Ultrasmurfs only. It\\\'s no wonder that they\\\'re annoying the players with how much they get pushed.
