Discussion History DethroningMoment / VideoGames

* \\\'\\\'ResidentEvil\\\'\\\' as a series is full of them. In \\\'\\\'Code: Veronica,\\\'\\\' Steve Burnside gets one \\\'\\\'immediately after\\\'\\\' a CrowningMomentOfAwesome - after diving through a window and [[GunFu stylishly wasting]] an enemy about to kill the player, he reverts to his whiny self, crowing \\\"Oh yeah, that felt \\\'\\\'good!\\\'\\\'\\\"
* Another Dethroning Moment was Phoenix Wright\\\'s CharacterDerailment. Particularly when he had no qualms inflicting on a newbie what nearly drove his best friend to suicide.
* \\\'\\\'GrandiaII\\\'\\\' was a by-the-numbers JRPG with a pretty cool combat system. The story and voice-acting was not good, though. And the worst part is when the hero (I refuse to remember his name) is in some sort of coma (don\\\'t remember why) and angelic female sidekick (ditto for her name) cries out in such over-the-top despair, the best thing to do is what you\\\'ve wondered about doing for the entire game, which is to mute it. How [[{{NARM}} narmy]] was that? Well, it made me realise that there is far, far worse voice acting out there than \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyX\\\'\\\'. In fact, this moment had me liking the latter game all the more in comparison.
** Now, from a non-hater: by the end of the game, Elena decides that she can\\\'t stand having Millenia inside of her, because, allegedly, she\\\'s EEEEEVILL, despite the fact that, other than making a thunder fall over a church (not damaging it, apparently), she didn\\\'t do anything really (hell, she saved a little girl\\\'s life). Okay, it was because of petty jealousy, that is a good reason for murder. Then the evil pope guy says he\\\'ll kill Millenia... blah blah, plot plot, the evil pope guy reveals that he will ressurrect the Evil God of Doom (tm) to terminate humanity, and therefore won\\\'t kill Millenia (just extract her from Elena\\\'s body and upgrade her to a genocidal God). And what does Elena do after hearing that? \\\"Oh well, the world will be destroyed, but at least I\\\'ll get rid of my rival\\\". WHAT. THE FUCK. She doesn\\\'t even TRY to run away from the clearly evil guy. She doesn\\\'t even resist. I don\\\'t know ANYONE who didn\\\'t want to torture her painfully after that scene.
* The \\\'\\\'AceAttorney\\\'\\\' series is awesome, and it\\\'s a testament to the overwhelming awesomeness of the third game that the resolution of the Mask [=DeMasque=] case couldn\\\'t ruin it the game. [[spoiler: Phoenix gets an acquittal for unrepentant thief (with no motive more noble than keeping his high-maintenance wife happy without getting an actual job), and thanks to the double-jeopardy clause he\\\'s able to confess to stealing millions of dollars worth of valuables and artifacts without penalty. In the epilogue, it\\\'s shown that said thief goes on to start his own security company...with a side business selling the details of his own defenses to burglars.]] And this is the guy I just worked my ass off to save? \\\'\\\'What?\\\'\\\'
** Speaking of 3-2 - The ending in which [[spoiler: Pearl, mistaking Phoenix blushing from Desiree Delite as \\\"having an affair\\\", slaps Phoenix into oblivion. It\\\'s understandable that she\\\'s a little kid that doesn\\\'t understand that Phoenix/Desiree were just talking, but that was just horrible. Also, why is it nobody helps Phoenix out while he\\\'s getting slapped? Even if he is a ButtMonkey...]]
* \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyVIII\\\'\\\' contains the orphanage scene, which is both tiresome and frankly, [[ContrivedCoincidence improbable]].
* \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyXII\\\'\\\'. When we find out why Basch killed the king and Vaan\\\'s brother. [[spoiler: It was his EvilTwin. Seriously]]. And Vaan \\\'\\\'accepts\\\'\\\' it!
** Vaan didn\\\'t believe it at first (which makes him the most intelligent character at that point) but Balthier and Fran, who just believed it right off the bat. Seriously guys? The whole story is dodgy [[spoiler: even if it was right after all]].
** Bear in mind that this revelation occurs just after the party sees Gabranth remove his helmet for the first time and Balthier uses this as his justification for believing it.
** Also You Have to remember that [[spoiler: Balthier was a Judge and may of know that there where the twins on oppisite sides of the conflict.]] and Fran Would of just followed Balthier
* \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyXII:RevenantWings\\\'\\\'. When you finally caught up to the Judge of Wings ([[spoiler:Mydia]]) and beaten her, everyone, save Fran and Balthier, [[EasilyForgiven are all hugs and sympathy]]. Considering that [[spoiler:Mydia]] had just [[spoiler:[[MoralEventHorizon finished slaughtering her entire race]] ([[DisposableWoman who I must note had done nothing wrong and were completely innocent]]) and provided a [[ThatOneBoss difficult boss battle]], [[KarmaHoudini what the hell?!]] Her motivation was basically [[SympatheticSue \\\"I\\\'m so lonely and my lover\\\'s dead and I want to bring him back]] and [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge possibly get some revenge]]\\\" while her reasons for killing off her race was \\\"I don\\\'t want [[BigBad Feolthanos]] to use them like he used me\\\" when she could\\\'ve just ignored them instead of killing them, since when you see Feolthanos, he\\\'s basically a giant, immobile crystal. Also, considering that she had gotten some of her anima back, [[WhatAnIdiot she could\\\'ve just asked the party for help instead of fighting them]].]]
* The entire [[WallBanger final act]] of \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyXIII\\\'\\\' qualifies, with a special {{shoutout}} to the [[DeusExMachina ending]]. We spend the entire latter half of the game meandering aimlessly about to find a way to subvert the [[BigBad Big Bad\\\'s]] [[XanatosGambit plan to destroy Cocoon]], [[spoiler:only to end up [[NiceJobBreakingItHero fulfilling it]] in the end]]. The real Suck came with the [[AssPull nonsensical]] finale to justify why our heroes and said world are not hosed by this, despite every bit of information we were given up to then pointing to either one of the two being hosed. [[ThePowerOfFriendship It\\\'s]] [[AWizardDidIt never clearly explained]] in the game.
* \\\'\\\'{{Fallout}} 3\\\'\\\': the ending. An absurdly weak point in an otherwise overwhelmingly well-made game, with [[spoiler: a [[ButThouMust completely arbitrary]], [[HandWave flimsily-explained]] SomeoneHasToDie moment.]]
** This can be especially weak if you play as a \\\'\\\'good\\\'\\\' character and recruit Fawkes, an 8-foot-tall radiation-proof bruiser, to your team. Thus, you have to make a choice over who dies due to radiation poisoning, while Fawkes stands there doing nothing! If you have Broken Steel, he will do it but the game calls you a pussy for it though.
* \\\'\\\'StarWars: The Force Unleashed\\\'\\\' is a third-person action game that has you as a heretofore-unknown \\\'secret apprentice\\\' to Darth Vader, which basically lets you be a brand-new Jedi/Sith running around hurling shit into people with your force powers. Depending on your patience, proclivities and platform, this was either a decent-enough, barely-passable or downright-godawful game, but it contains one of the most jaw-droppingly unforgivable Dethroning Moment of Suck in \\\'\\\'Star Wars\\\'\\\' history, due to one single sequence clearly designed to be the exact opposite. Due to an un-noteworthy series of generic, \\\'\\\'Star Wars\\\'\\\' events, Our Anti-Hero is tasked with the monumental objective of \\\'\\\'seizing an orbiting Star Destroyer with Force powers and dragging it down to the planet.\\\'\\\' One drunken Jedi cheerleader berates you for mentioning the sheer impossibility of this act, stating that NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH THE FORCE. You then proceed to \\\'\\\'seize an orbiting Imperial Star Destroyer with your Force powers and drag it down to the planet.\\\'\\\' Now, this sequence, gameplaywise in and of itself was [[ThatOneLevel infamously buggy, sporting numerous glitches and instances of bad design]] that made it either outright unplayable - or on the Wii version, such a logistical nightmare it was simply shortened into a non-interactive cutscene. The unbelievable frustration of that nightmarishly glitched scene notwithstanding, \\\'\\\'the scene itself\\\'\\\' damage, beyond repair, the entirety of \\\'\\\'Star Wars\\\'\\\' lore. The guy you\\\'re playing is shown to be weaker with the Force than Darth Vader, for example, and ostensibly weaker than Luke Skywalker. And yet this one nameless, whiny little prick that has only appeared in this one game can hurl around fucking \\\'\\\'Star Destroyers\\\'\\\'? This throws every single event in the entire series, prequel and original, into question. If the Force is THIS strong, why did Anakin and Obi-Wan fly around in their tiny little fighters at the beginning of \\\'\\\'EpIII\\\'\\\' if they could just sit in one of the Capitol ships and smash all the little fighters - AND THEIR CARRIERS - into each other? Why do Jedi fight with lightsabers when the true test of Force might is clearly whichever one is strong enough to literally crush the other? Why did Yoda whip out a lightsaber, instead of just using the Force to pull Dooku\\\'s saber out of his hands? Come to think of it, why has \\\'\\\'no\\\'\\\' Jedi ever done that? Why is \\\'\\\'anyone\\\'\\\' using lightsabers if the Force is strong enough to throw around Star Destroyers? What makes all of this worse is that the story comes from Lucas himself - meaning that the events of the game - including the Star Destroyer-Hurling - are \\\'\\\'\\\'canon\\\'\\\'\\\'.
* \\\'\\\'SonicTheHedgehog2006\\\'\\\': the game is already horrible enough, but the icing on the cake has got to be [[spoiler:\\\'\\\'Princess Elise kissing Sonic to bring him back to life\\\'\\\'.]] The hearts of many sank at this scene. Some speculate that the scene is supposed to go with this game being Sonic\\\'s \\\"rebirth\\\", but instead it only further put him into his grave...Even a sequel to \\\'\\\'[[NightsIntoDreams NiGHTS]]\\\'\\\', a guest appearance in \\\'\\\'SuperSmashBros Brawl\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'an RPG from [=BioWare=]\\\'\\\' isn\\\'t enough to make the hurting stop.
** Before that, there was \\\'\\\'ShadowTheHedgehog\\\'\\\'. Here\\\'s a example: The \\\'\\\'Opening\\\'\\\'. It ends, as the Nintendo World magazine once put it, with a weakling Sonic, who quickly succumbs to Shadow\\\'s power. [[WhatWereYouThinking What the hell]], SEGA?! Do you really thought people would like to see their childhood hero getting humiliated like that?! [[TheyJustDidntCare Is that how much you care about him?]] \\\"What will you do next? [[TemptingFate Kill him?!]]\\\" [[SonicTheHedgehog2006 ...Oh.]]
*** If there\\\'s a DMOS for \\\'\\\'ShadowTheHedgehog\\\'\\\', it would probably be any ending where Shadow kills Eggman. Sure, it\\\'s not canonical anyway, but seriously, what the hell?
** \\\'\\\'SonicUnleashed\\\'\\\'. YourMileageMayVary on the game itself, but there was the scene where Tails freaks out at a bunch of monsters that aren\\\'t really that tough anyway by the standards of what the characters normally fight, and runs away. To Tails fans, [[CharacterDerailment it was incredibly]] [[BadassDecay demoralizing]].
* Okay, so there is this game from the 90\\\'s called \\\'\\\'SepterraCore\\\'\\\', and its your standard, if sometimes monotonous and difficult RPG. The story follows some interesting threads, and is loosely based on various religious myths with actually come together nicely. Then, the ending comes. So Maya is the \\\"spiritual\\\" descendant of Marduk and there\\\'s other worlds out there that have been doing the exact same thing as you? [[AssPull Where in the bleedin\\\' \\\'ell did \\\'\\\'those\\\'\\\' come from?]] And makes the entire 30+ hours of gameplay before it feel like an absolute waste of time. It\\\'s probably a blessing that the [[SequelHook hinted sequel]] never came to be.
* After displaying lots and lots of Awesome, [[SuperRobotWars Lamia Loveless]] finally gets this moment in OG Gaiden, the dreaded thing they call...\\\'\\\'The ODE Incident\\\'\\\', which seriously downplays her capabilities into something of a DistressedDamsel or a FauxActionGirl and got her almost killed by [[BigBadWannabe a minor villain who quickly got beaten off by a bigger villain]]. Then when she comes back, she has ZERO story involvements, unable to redeem her dethroning moment.
** My main gripe is on how they had to \\\'promote\\\' Juergen\\\'s capability by \\\'killing\\\' Lamia. If she ended up as the counterpart of [[SuperRobotWarsReversal R]]\\\'s [[GGundam Master Asia]] WITHOUT the interference of Juergen, I think I can still not take it as a dethroning moment. The main point is, being defeated by an BigBadWannabe like Juergen (who just debuts in the OG series), no matter how it happens, equals to SUCK for Lamia (who has been well established since Advance) and takes away her awesome points. It\\\'s like you take one upstart (read: THE LOWEST OF THE ALGORITHM) original villain in SRW to kill off [[MazingerZ Kouji Kabuto]] (by luck!) only to be killed by the true BigBad, that\\\'ll be totally embarassing and full of suckage. Even moreso for Lamia that after she got back, [[WallBanger she neither received no development, nor learn anything new.]]
* \\\'\\\'[[MetalGearSolid Metal Gear Solid 4]]\\\'\\\'. At the end of the game, it\\\'s revealed that the BigBad wasn\\\'t the ghost of Liquid, but rather Ocelot pretending to be Liquid. That made the rather badass showdown consisting of shoutouts to the previous \\\'\\\'Metal Gear Solid\\\'\\\' games seem pointless in my eyes.
* \\\'\\\'[[AssassinsCreed Assassin\\\'s Creed]]\\\'\\\' was a very enjoyable game, with good gameplay and a compelling story. The ending, however, was a complete letdown. [[spoiler: Abstergo gets the map to the Pieces of Eden, and leaves you in the lab. You can still replay any of the levels you\\\'ve already played. Um... yay.]] Basically, the ending\\\'s just completely anti-climactic, and almost feels like the developers just said, \\\"Well, that\\\'s it. What, you\\\'re still here? Go away.\\\" Ot \\\"All will be revealed in the sequel, for only $49.95! (in US currency)\\\"
** In the sequel you kill roughly half the population of Italy in pursuit of the BigBad, finally beat him in a fistfight after being stabbed in the gut by him, and the main character... [[spoiler: realises that the villain is a historical character who doesn\\\'t die until after the events of the game, so he announces that he\\\'s tired of killing and wanders off. And now he\\\'s coming back in a spinoff/sequel to continue killing Templars, so we must assume that what he meant was simply that he\\\'s tired of killing fat people.]]
* The \\\"reveal\\\" of Dhaos\\\' true intentions in \\\'\\\'TalesOfPhantasia\\\'\\\'. Not only does it come [[AssPull completely out of nowhere,]] but the game seems to expect us to believe that it completely justified him launching a genocidal war against mankind. (Hint: it DOESN\\\'T) It actually makes Dhaos \\\'\\\'less\\\'\\\' sympathetic, since it makes it appear that Dhaos brought his end on himself by never bothering to explain his actions when he had \\\'\\\'multiple\\\'\\\' chances to. The Tales series has many sympathetic villains, but Dhaos does not deserve to be one of them. Wanting to help your own world is no justification for wanting to cause the destruction of another.
* \\\'\\\'ChronoTrigger\\\'\\\': Early in the game, in 600 A.D. when you go to save Queen Leene, you must find a secret passage in a cathedral, and go underground to the next dungeon. There is one room in this dungeon that\\\'s a little off the beaten path, but still far too easy to find, where you go in to see a bunch of monsters around a statue of Magus, worshiping it. By singing a song. In \\\'\\\'English\\\'\\\'. The lyrics are horrible - one could easily theorize that the monsters stole a hymnal from the nuns they booted out and then rewrote the entire thing to be ObviouslyEvil. This one scene keeps me from taking most of the game seriously; even worse, this was done far better later on, when you see monsters trooping silently around a similar statue with low, indistinguishable, freakish chanting in the background.
** Oh, there\\\'s one far, \\\'\\\'far\\\'\\\' worse...as revealed in the PS1 and DS re-releases, after all\\\'s said and done, [[spoiler: Chrono and Marle get married. As Marle\\\'s the princess of Guardia, that would sensibly make them the new King & Queen, right? So, with them running the show, I have to wonder....\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'HOW THE HELL DID \\\'\\\'DALTON\\\'\\\' MANAGE TO DESTROY THE KINGDOM!?\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\' I mean, this guy spends the whole game being more of a punching bag for your party than Gato, and then out of nowhere...BOOM, HOSTILE TAKEOVER. WTF, Squeenix!?]]
*** The Chrono crew took down a frakking EldritchAbomination and fought through many of Zeal\\\'s defenses, what the hell could he bring to the table that they haven\\\'t already crushed?
*** \\\'\\\'ChronoCross\\\'\\\' [[DroppedABridgeOnHim killing off]] Trigger\\\'s cast. Need I say more?
* The Cloud vs Sephiroth subplot in \\\'\\\'[[KingdomHearts Kingdom Hearts 2]]\\\'\\\' which features Cloud acting like a wangsty stoic loner for no good reason, Sephiroth being a DesignatedVillain who claims to be Cloud\\\'s darkness, and Tifa generally seeming pathetic. While it is optional, the ending to this sidestory is the lamest part. After \\\'\\\'yet another\\\'\\\' tacked-on optional boss fight with Sephiroth (who\\\'s \\\'\\\'easier\\\'\\\' to beat this time around!), Sora has to go tell Cloud that Sephiroth is waiting for him to come settle the score. He does this, Cloud shows up, Sephiroth taunts him some more, and the two of them clash with each other while the now tired OneWingedAngel plays in the backround. In midfight, Tifa shows up to be Cloud\\\'s \\\"light\\\" and help him against Sephiroth. Just as Cloud gets the strength to fight, he and Sephiroth are lifted into the sky and literally dissapear into thin air, and thus the fight is abruptly ended with no real winner. The handwave explanation Tifa gives is that Cloud and Sephiroth have \\\"left for another world\\\" and she\\\'s now going to have to search for Cloud all over again. So not only was the whole ordeal boring as heck, but it served absolutely NO purpose other than to [[PanderingToTheBase pander to the fanboys]] and promote [[CashCowFranchise The \\\'\\\'Complication\\\'\\\' of]] \\\'\\\'FinalFantasyVII\\\'\\\'. Forget any complaints about the main story; THIS was the worst thing to come out of KH2 and the \\\'\\\'KingdomHearts\\\'\\\' series as a whole. Meanwhile Sora, Donald, and Goofy, the \\\'\\\'main characters\\\'\\\' do squat within that subplot except fight Sephiroth, who fights them because he randomly decided he wants the keyblade, a motive that [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment gets dropped as soon as the fight ends.]]
* \\\'\\\'ThunderForce VI\\\'\\\'[=\\\'=]s final boss, the ORN Emperor, is a \\\'\\\'fetus.\\\'\\\' [[{{Narm}} He\\\'s supposed to be the emperor of the empire that\\\'s been at constant war with the Galaxy Federation?]]
* I\\\'m a huge fan of \\\'\\\'{{Gungrave}}\\\'\\\' but the big reveal of [[spoiler: some random race of alien parasites being behind everything]] just \\\'\\\'really\\\'\\\' rubbed me the wrong way. I\\\'m fine with the whole \\\"dead regeneration creating undead soliders and mutants\\\" bit, I\\\'m fine with the main character being some kind of [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot techno-engineered revenant]] with oversized guns...I\\\'m fine with seed being a [[ResidentEvil Psycho T-virus]] on [[ThisIsYourPremiseOnDrugs acid]], but after reading through the artbook, [[spoiler: all the drama, betrayal, death and conflicts being due to said random race of alien parasites wanting to TakeOverTheWorld]] is where I draw the line.
* The end of Scene 1 of \\\'\\\'Brave Firefighters\\\'\\\'. Okay Mayor Taylor, yeah, I\\\'m concerned for your family too, but \\\'\\\'you\\\'re not a firefighter.\\\'\\\' Way to be a mayor by \\\'\\\'knocking out one and then [[LoveMakesYouDumb running off to find your family]] when you\\\'re in an extremely unsafe building that you could easily die in\\\'\\\', forcing the player\\\'s team to rescue him \\\'\\\'again\\\'\\\' in Scene 2.
* \\\'\\\'WorldOfWarcraft\\\'\\\' demonstrates aptly why [=DMOS=] is a subjective trope: there are as many possible [=DMOSes=] as there have been days since its release, depending on who you ask (including \\\"there hasn\\\'t been one yet\\\").
** A certain percentage of players has never gotten over the Eredar being retconned from [[AlwaysChaoticEvil true]] [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demons]] who were partially responsible (along with the often-discounted dreadlords) for corrupting Sargeras, into ambitious draenei whom Sargeras was responsible for corrupting.
** It\\\'s difficult to take Thrall seriously ever since he promoted Garrosh Hellscream to a position of much power and authority because of who his father was, even though he\\\'s rash, arrogant, stupid, and a huge diplomatic liability. It\\\'s hard to buy Thrall as a great leader if he picks such an obnoxious fool to be his right-hand orc based on nepotism.
** The hardcore derailing Illidan and Kael\\\'thas were given during The Burning Crusade. Two of the most complex characters in the setting (Illidan\\\'s treatment at Richard A. Knaak\\\'s questionable hands notwithstanding) get turned into one-dimensional cardboard cutouts taken from the Big List Of Fantasy Villain Cliches for seemingly no reason other than because Blizzard didn\\\'t want to tap in to the vast potential for awesome new lore they\\\'d brought in--Tempest Keep getting overrun by ethereals with a powerful Nexus-Prince running things, the Sunwell being held by Legion-loyal undead in Magister\\\'s Terrace, and the Black Temple providing a staging grounds for a raid on a major Legion outpost apparently pales in comparison to going off and killing two major lore figures for reasons with less support that Mr. Smite in the Deadmines. Never mind how Jaina Proudmoore is treated as a second-class citizen in the new Alliance she basically held together for years before Varian was re-introduced as a Conan expy and took over the entire Alliance with older, wiser leaders letting him go on his merry way invading other kingdoms, declaring war on their behalf, and fighting with the Horde in a situation that gives the Big Bad free reinforcements... and after all this, Jaina says she\\\'s \\\'\\\'proud of him\\\'\\\'?
*** \\\'\\\'Thank\\\'\\\' you. Illidan, Evil!Arthas and Kael\\\'thas were some of the coolest characters in the series. Illidan was an awesome badass who managed to have an extremely sympathetic backstory (HELLO ten thousand years of hell and losing your love interest to your \\\'\\\'boring, obnoxious brother,\\\'\\\') Death Knight Arthas was snarky as hell, and Kael was \\\'\\\'both,\\\'\\\' in addition to being a genuinely good person and whilst being the consummate gentleman (note how he tends to treat others in cutscenes \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' politely) who was only trying to save his people (admittedly, it recalls to mind the second-mentioned character\\\'s story), and then comes the Burning Crusade. Thank you, Blizzard. So much.
** The culmination of the Great Masquerade questline. This went from one of the most memorable quest experiences in the game, to being completely taken out and {{retcon}}ned by way of a badly written comic, for no other reason than to give Varian Wrynn credibility as a character. From then on, players hadn\\\'t achieved that victory anymore -- Varian had. That decision turned a once-epic moment into a case of lazy writing and product placement, a definite turn for the worst in Blizzard story telling, probably the first case of something substantial being \\\'\\\'taken away\\\'\\\' from the game, and a slap in the face of the players, all at once.
** Cataclysm probably has the ultimate Dethroning Moment Of Suck for Thrall. He\\\'s just teamed up with the player and a wily goblin called Sassy to defeat their former traitorous Trade Prince Gallywix. What does Thrall do after defeating him, \\\'\\\'\\\'make him racial leader again\\\'\\\'\\\'! This is after Gallywix [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder \\\'\\\'\\\'betrayed\\\'\\\'\\\' the player twice]]\\\"\\\", \\\'\\\'\\\'enslaved his own goblins in an abusive mine\\\'\\\'\\\', teamed up with pirates, and right after he personally \\\'\\\'\\\'tried to kill Thrall\\\'\\\'\\\' and the player. Worse is that the player and Thrall [[WhatMeasureIsAMook killed tons of mooks]] to get to Gallywix and other goblins such as Sassy showed themselves to far more capable and caring then Gallywix. This moment totally [[CharacterDerailment derailed]] Thrall into a caricature that no no longer resembles his old self.
* Speaking of \\\'\\\'WarCraft\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'[=WarCraft=] III\\\'\\\'. Speaking as someone who rather likes Jaina Proudmoore, It\\\'s utterly contemptuous of how she handled Arthas at Stratholme. No, Jaina, don\\\'t try to convince him to merely quarantine the town while you try to find a way to cure the plague--in fact, don\\\'t bother thinking of all your connections to high-level wizards at all. Instead, mutter something about not being able to watch him do the deed and then run off to babble to Uther.
** In the intro, we see King Terenas shooting down the idea of his people \\\"being prisoners in their own lands\\\" when the idea of quarantine was being brought up then. Uther tried to convince Arthas not to purge Stratholme, and Arthas used his right to sovereignty to dismiss the Silver Hand in short order. Arthas was already driven insane as a result of the plague corrupting his townsfolk and raising them as Scourge; he became completely psychotic after having to hold off a recent invasion and seeing the plague at work in person. If Uther couldn\\\'t convince him to quarantine Stratholme, there\\\'s no way Jaina could have, either.
* \\\'\\\'SuperMarioSunshine\\\'\\\' had the final boss sequence as a huge Dethroning Moment for the Koopa King. First, instead of doing, you know, villain stuff, you get a badly timed VillainsOutShopping moment with Bowser relaxing in a hot tub with Bowser Jr. and \\\"Mama Peach\\\". The sheer VillainDecay from Bowser\\\'s infamous \\\"Mario? HOW DARE YOU DISTURB MY FAMILY VACATION?\\\" yelled in a ridiculous sitcom dad voice, while spawning MemeticMutation, is painful to watch. Luckily, Nintendo learned from their mistakes and overcompensated in \\\'\\\'SuperMarioGalaxy\\\'\\\', as well as not making Bowser talk in full English sentences again.
* There was one incident in \\\'\\\'[[WildArms1 Wild Arms]]\\\'\\\' that was so mind numbingly \\\'\\\'stupid\\\'\\\' that nobody can defend it. This incident, you ask? At the end of the prologue, Cecilia willingly gives the Tear Drop to Berserk, a villain, without even \\\'\\\'trying\\\'\\\' to find a third option to the SadisticChoice. Yes, it was obvious that the Demons had to get the Tear Drop for the plot to get going, but did they \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to do it by lowering the normally smart and rational Cecilia\\\'s IQ by about 20 digits?
* Heath from \\\'\\\'[[PokemonRanger Pokemon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]\\\'\\\'. It\\\'s obvious that he was imitating the rival (badly), saying stuff like \\\"Vicemail!\\\" instead of the normal \\\"Voicemail!\\\" Understandable. Once you obtain the third jewel, Heath just had to pull a {{Friend or Idol Decision}}: give the jewel to him or something bad happens to your rival. Even though said rival was clearly okay and told her to not give up the jewel, if you selecte \\\"No,\\\" Heath will say, \\\"Oh, you not care about Keith? Not a very good friend?\\\" Keep selecting \\\"No\\\", and you\\\'ll get the same response until you are forced to say \\\"Yes.\\\" You\\\'ll then be forced to give the jewel up. All that hard work ruined to the point where you might think there would be a chance to team up with the villains. It was that bad, and it even beat that darned Perfect Apples incident from \\\'\\\'{{Pokemon Mystery Dungeon}}\\\'\\\' in terms of forming sheer rage.
** The jewel incident get even worse when you consider this: With that jewel at the Ranger base, the villains would have been unable to do nearly anything, meaning, the Rangers would\\\'ve had an easy time storming the base. But there\\\'s more, halfway through the game, we find out that one of the teachers at the school was a major villain connected with Team Dim Sun. That very same teacher suggested that the smartest student at the school go to work at Altru, yet no one seems to make the connection. And one more, this is more of a WallBanger, but that same student (his name escapes me) is even working directly with Team Dim Sun, assuming they\\\'re good guys. This isn\\\'t sobad because he\\\'s hidden away in their base when you save him, but earlier in the game he\\\'s shown as clearly being allowed to go outside.
* Speaking of the Perfect Apple incident from \\\'\\\'PokemonMysteryDungeon\\\'\\\', lets not let \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' off the hook, shall we? This is quite possibly the single most infamous scene in the game, mainly because of the \\\'\\\'massive\\\'\\\' IdiotBall that apparently wasn\\\'t just glued to Chatot, \\\'\\\'it was grafted into his brain\\\'\\\'. Yes, the scene was \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' stupid.
** Honestly, you\\\'re right. At least, in the Heath incident above, one would have to go through it once (can\\\'t lose the Wi-Fi Pokemon/missions, after all). Chatot, you realize that Team Skull is bad, right? Couldn\\\'t it kill him to listen to the players for more than two seconds? But no, he is more worried about what happens to the Guildmaster. Chatot is officially the worst Pokemon Mystery Dungeon character of all time because of that. [[WhatAnIdiot Way to go, moron!]]
*** Oh, golly, more of why many other Tropers think this bird should be fricasseed. When the player and partner [[spoiler: return from the future and find that not only is Grovyle on the heroes\\\' side, but that Dusknoir, an explorer nearly everyone in the game idolized, is the villain instead]], Chatot proceeds to call the team a complete LIAR. Sure, he did that to see if everyone else would believe them, and even he did but just berated them anyway for the lulz, but still.
*** Chatot was lying about testing them, wasn\\\'t that obvious?
*** Thankfully, I was a Pikachu at the time, so when the Brine Cave mission came up, I put all my money and items in storage, and slapped Chatot with my Shock Wave, killing him instantly. Mission failed, yes, but DAMN that felt good.
* The ending to \\\'\\\'Rayman Raving Rabbids\\\'\\\'. You play every minigame the Rabbids have in store, but instead of rescuing the Baby Globoxes and defeating the Rabbids for good, poor {{Rayman}} [[spoiler: gets stuck in a hole while a sheep harasses him.]] Many fans consider it the DMOS of the entire Rayman series.
* \\\'\\\'{{Ultima}} IX\\\'\\\'. Specifically: the resurrection of Dupre. Seriously, his sacrifice in Serpent Isle had actually felt meaningful to a lot of players. All undone for no particularly good reason.
* \\\'\\\'GodOfWar III\\\'\\\' was a fun ride, except for one part that made made some players physically ill: the killing of Poseidon\\\'s wife. We know that Kratos doesn\\\'t mind killing innocents for getting to his goals, but come on, this one went too far! And while similar moments happened in the other games, it always was a sign of the cruelty of the gods or of the Sisters, as they were the ones who placed traps which were forcing you to kill bystanders. But having the PLAYER push the commands for forcing the poor woman, who\\\'s pleading THE ENTIRE TIME for being spared, to go to a bloody murder for the sake of a bloody murder was too much for some players. It\\\'s even more jarring when you realize that Kratos solved similar puzzles earlier in the very same game without having to kill anyone!
** Even if he needed to sacrifice someone to solve the puzzle, there were plenty of monsters around that he could use. The whole game is pretty much the developers getting sick of the fandom for Kratos and showing that he is a horrific bastard who crossed the Moral Event Horizon a long time ago, and coming up with increasingly heavy-handed reasons to show it.
* \\\'\\\'[[FiftyCent 50 Cent]]: Blood on the Sand\\\'\\\' is entertaining, over-the-top ridiculousness until one derailing point. 50 and his buddy need to get into a theater where a Mini Boss is hiding, but there are too many guards outside. So he calls his #1 fan, a guy who owns a strip club in the {{Qurac}} town where the game takes place, and the guy sends over a party van filled with bikini-clad women to distract the guards. Yeah, it\\\'s horribly misogynistic and misandristic, but it\\\'s been done before and [[DistractedByTheSexy we have a trope for that.]] While the women are hanging off the guards, 50 \\\'\\\'triggers a bomb\\\'\\\' which destroys the van, kills the guards, and sets the theater on fire. The women, who were just as close to the blast as the guards, disappear. They are never even mentioned again, though logic dictates they would have been horribly maimed at best.
* \\\'\\\'GrandTheftAutoSanAndreas\\\'\\\': As far as [[HeroicSociopath GTA protagonists]] go, C.J. is moderately likable, until he takes over a construction site by [[spoiler:\\\'\\\'locking its foreman in a port-o-john, knocking it over, pushing it into a pit in the ground and [[CruelAndUnusualDeath filling the pit with cement]]\\\'\\\']]
** The worst part? [[DisproportionateRetribution He did it because the construction workers were hitting on his sister.]]
** On the bright side, now he has a relationship he can build on.
* In the mission \\\'Home Coming\\\' when [[spoiler: CJ\\\'s brother Sweet is released from prison and he has to go pick him up ]]. CJ tries to get Sweet to join in his new lifestyle [[spoiler: because CJ had established a lot of businesses and the like so that has made him more financially off ]], however Sweet is still convinced that he should \\\'go back to the hood\\\'. CJ has moved on from that way of living and rightly defends himself but Sweet only insults his brother and compares him to [[spoiler: Big Smoke, who betrayed their gang and did what CJ did, get out and be wealthy, albeit for the wrong reasons ]]. CJ\\\'s spine completely disappears after that (but was still determined to show Sweet how bad \\\'the hood\\\' is), but after that mission I certainly disliked Sweet a lot more, especially in the upcoming missions.
** Within like 5 missions you can have CJ slitting throats of random guards to steal a rapper\\\'s rhyme book. Y\\\'know, because we\\\'re trying to make a sympathetic character this time around.
* In the trailer for DCU online, there is a part where superman beats Black Adam with ease. Black Adam is powered by magic. Superman is weak to magic. Not to mention Black Adam canf fight the entire Justice league at once, including Superman!
* The Amagi Inn event in \\\'\\\'{{Persona 4}}\\\'\\\' is just several kinds of stupid. My male cohorts and I go to the spring...only to end up in a massive AccidentalPervert moment with no way to [[ICanExplain explain myself]]. The girls realize that it\\\'s now time for the men to bathe...and proceed to be {{Jerkass}}es and keep using it. \\\'\\\'Then\\\'\\\' I\\\'m [[ButThouMust coaxed]] into sneaking into the girls\\\' bedroom, and at this point I was literally [[WallBanger banging my head on the wall]] and threw my controller across the room, nearly dragging my [=PS2s=] off the shelf in the process, with the only saving grace being that my perverted male friends and I snuck into the wrong room ([[{{Gonk}} Hanako]]\\\'s and [[ChristmasCake Kashiwagi]]\\\'s room), resulting in a little hilarity. I was so pissed off that the next day, [[DrivenToSuicide I commited suicide]] [[SuicideByCop by]] [[{{Mook}} Shadow]][[hottip:* :I saved my game just before doing so]].