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\\\"That look on Suigetsu\\\'s face is not \\\"it\\\'s not fair\\\" irritation. Both he and Karin noticed how much darker Sasuke as being there\\\" You can read into his expression whatever you want, his think bubble says different.

\\\"Why do people whitewash the Uchiha and forget that for the most part they were prideful, arrogant dicks? Dare to be suspicious of them when a calculated attack from their old pet kills the Hokage? They\\\'ll take over your village and start World War 4. That\\\'ll learn ya. Danzo did a lot of things that cannot be justified. The Uchiha being destroyed was not one of them \\\"

Because they weren\\\'t? The Uchiha DIDN\\\'T have the Kyuubi as their old pet, Madara did. Why did Madara have the Kyuubi as his pet? Because the Uchiha threw him out of their clan! What dd the Uchiha do after they threw him out? Served Konoha loyally for 50 years. Madara was a prideful, arrogant dick, everyone else put their pride and rivalry with the Senju aside for peace. Fugaku was douche, yes but he still had no way of knowing an Uchiha actually was behind the attack. And diplomacy didn\\\'t fail, the correct translation is that Hiruzen wanted to negociate but it was too late was overruled by the Elders. I\\\'m pretty sure that they didn\\\'t go

Hiruzen: I can\\\'t tell you how I know about this, but I\\\'d like you to give up on your totally secret plans for a coup.
Fugaku: No! The totally secret plans that I made thinking that the God of Shinobi was unaware of them go forward as planned. Man, can you believe the nerve of that guy, Itachi?
Itachi *thinking*: Yeah, I made the right decision.

\\\"There is nothing that implies he was like that before he failed to kill Shodai. Quite the opposite in fact\\\"
Okay... So how did failing the mission cause this?

\\\"He had nothing to do with the Fourth\\\'s death. Chiyo thought he did because of Kabuto. \\\"

Uh, waa? According to Chiyo, Orochimaru could not have gotten to the Fourth without Sasori\\\'s help. This was confirmed by Sasori, who admits it was the work of one of his agents (I dunno how you think this was Kabuto, who was in Konoha, being pursued by ANBU\\\'s at the time), and later the Raikage.

\\\"We know he ditched Iwa from the databook due to the ridicule he received. And again, he was a little kid at the time. Ten years next to Sasori is not going to do much for your sanity or disposition. And when did Kisame and Deidara interact that much outside of an anime omake? Kisame just always thought he\\\'d die in the blast \\\"

You are gonna have to link me to that page of the databook. And Kisame was the one that spoke up about his actions in Deidara\\\'s flashback to his recuitment.

\\\"Given two weeks later, he\\\'s willing to throw chidori spears through their hearts and abandoning them to their fates, it could be argued he just still needed them at that point. And imagining Team 7? No longer convinced that\\\'s caring after two chapters ago. \\\"

Yeah, he was faking the Amaterasu of strong emotions, he was conning his MS into working by intentionally having those thoughts.
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\\\"That look on Suigetsu\\\'s face is not \\\"it\\\'s not fair\\\" irritation. Both he and Karin noticed how much darker Sasuke as being there\\\" You can read into his expression whatever you want, his think bubble says different.

\\\"Why do people whitewash the Uchiha and forget that for the most part they were prideful, arrogant dicks? Dare to be suspicious of them when a calculated attack from their old pet kills the Hokage? They\\\'ll take over your village and start World War 4. That\\\'ll learn ya. Danzo did a lot of things that cannot be justified. The Uchiha being destroyed was not one of them \\\"

Because they weren\\\'t? The Uchiha DIDN\\\'T have the Kyuubi as their old pet, Madara did. Why did Madara have the Kyuubi as his pet? Because the Uchiha threw him out of their clan! What dd the Uchiha do after they threw him out? Served Konoha loyally for 50 years. Madara was a prideful, arrogant dick, everyone put their pride and rivalry with the Senju aside for peace. Fugaku was douche, yes but he still had no way of knowing an Uchiha actually was behind the attack. And diplomacy didn\\\'t fail, the correct translation is that Hiruzen wanted to negociate but it was too late was overruled by the Elders. I\\\'m pretty sure that they didn\\\'t go

Hiruzen: I can\\\'t tell you how I know about this, but I\\\'d like you to give up on your totally secret plans for a coup.
Fugaku: No! The totally secret plans that I made thinking that the God of Shinobi was unaware of them go forward as planned. Man, can you believe the nerve of that guy, Itachi?
Itachi *thinking*: Yeah, I made the right decision.

\\\"There is nothing that implies he was like that before he failed to kill Shodai. Quite the opposite in fact\\\"
Okay... So how did failing the mission cause this?

\\\"He had nothing to do with the Fourth\\\'s death. Chiyo thought he did because of Kabuto. \\\"

Uh, waa? According to Chiyo, Orochimaru could not have gotten to the Fourth without Sasori\\\'s help. This was confirmed by Sasori, who admits it was the work of one of his agents (I dunno how you think this was Kabuto, who was in Konoha, being pursued by ANBU\\\'s at the time), and later the Raikage.

\\\"We know he ditched Iwa from the databook due to the ridicule he received. And again, he was a little kid at the time. Ten years next to Sasori is not going to do much for your sanity or disposition. And when did Kisame and Deidara interact that much outside of an anime omake? Kisame just always thought he\\\'d die in the blast \\\"

You are gonna have to link me to that page of the databook. And Kisame was the one that spoke up about his actions in Deidara\\\'s flashback to his recuitment.

\\\"Given two weeks later, he\\\'s willing to throw chidori spears through their hearts and abandoning them to their fates, it could be argued he just still needed them at that point. And imagining Team 7? No longer convinced that\\\'s caring after two chapters ago. \\\"

Yeah, he was faking the Amaterasu of strong emotions, he was conning his MS into working by intentionally having those thoughts.
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